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Post subject: G String Buzz
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 8:23 am
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Hello!

A couple months ago I purchased my second strat ( 2012 american standard olympic white / rosewood ). I changed strings to EB 0.10's. Love the guitar and the sound of the fat 50's but always has the same G string buzz issue I had with my MIM. Not extreme, but it is there. After tweakin it back and fourth finally took it to a local luthier everyone says is the best around. He did a setup and strings are pretty low but I always get some buzz on the G. Just took it back to him to review the job and it improved a bit, but it is not like the other strings. He says "strats always have a bit of G string buzz unless you strum it very very easy". He made a recommendation to experiment changing the gauge on that string to .18 (that would be the G string gauge on a 0.11 set. Comments appreciated. Thank You!!!


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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Tue Nov 20, 2012 9:18 am
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longboarder wrote:
He says "strats always have a bit of G string buzz unless you strum it very very easy".


If he's the best luthier around, I'd hate to see the worst.

It is not uncommon for a guitar with low string action to have some acoustic buzz on the fretboard. If you don't hear it through the amp, don't worry about it. However, it is possible to setup a guitar so that there is no string buzz. It just takes time and care and someone who doesn't make excuses.

What is the action set to? How much relief is in the neck? Is the G buzzing at any particular fret? Did your "luthier" check for a high fret? Is the nut cut properly? All of these could cause a buzz and all are fixable to eliminate a buzz.

You have two choices:

1. Take the guitar back to this "luthier" and tell him you want it set up properly with no buzzing and no excuses.
2. Find someone else to do the job right.

FWIW, none of my guitars buzz anywhere on the fretboard. I have my action set at 5/64" at the 17th fret regardless of the fretboard radius. No buzz, no fretting out on bends. I set up all my guitars myself.

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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:13 pm
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Maybe a solution to a completely different problem but it may have something to do with the angle the string leaves the nut...

I notice a lot of new strats don't have a string tree for the D & G strings (mine being one of them) whenever I play an open note on the G I get a horrible buzzing sound. If you don't have a string tree on said strings, try bending the string after the nut to see if you need to install one.

If I've gotten it wrong, I suggest following bluesky's latter suggestion ;)


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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 5:17 pm
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This guy is not a real luthier or is not qualified.


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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Sun Nov 25, 2012 7:17 pm
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Hi longboarder.
bluesky636 wrote:
... it is possible to setup a guitar so that there is no string buzz.
It just takes time and care and someone who doesn't make excuses. ....
Absolutely! What you were told - "strats always have a bit of G string buzz unless you strum it very very easy" - is not only false it is absurd. I have three Strats - an American Deluxe, FSR American Standard, and a MIM Standard - I've set them up myself, they all have 10-46s, and none of them buzz.

stratele52 wrote:
This guy is not a real luthier or is not qualified.
I tend to agree and would suggest you do one of two things. Either go with bluesky's 2nd choice and find someone else who will do the job right or learn to do the setup yourself. With a Strat it's not all that difficult if you have the patience. A good starting point is the Fender Stratocaster Setup Guide.

HTH

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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 4:47 am
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bluesky636 wrote:
If he's the best luthier around, I'd hate to see the worst.

Hahaha - too right!


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He says "strats always have a bit of G string buzz unless you strum it very very easy".

Balls. Tells you everything you need to know about the guy.

Hi longboarder. Good stuff in the posts above. Little to add, except the first things we'd want to know is where on the fingerboard the string is buzzing - low frets, high or at all positions? And what action measurement do you currently have it set to?

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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 2:33 pm
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Yeah this guy doesn't sound legit. If it's one sting it should be able to be simple enough to fix. It's just one sting. Now if it was all of the strings and the truss rod was slipping well that'd be another story and I'd feel so sorry for you especially if you owned a maple neck lol I don't know if you found another guy yet ,but I would :)


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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 5:36 pm
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Is it a buzz or a ringing behind the nut that you hear? Seems it would be unusual for both his MIM and MIA to have the same Buzz on a fret.


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Posted: Mon Nov 26, 2012 7:33 pm
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Until the OP responds to our questions (its been 6 days), we are just speculating.

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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Tue Nov 27, 2012 12:58 am
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Shooting the luthier may have ricocheted on longboarder's will to comment... :P

OK, I give in: a good luthier should know how to fix this, and Fender's don't have to buzz. Then again, sometimes they do, and sometimes it's really a pain in the abs to find out why.

A couple of thoughts to add to the above listed:
Loose screw/nut somewhere.
Trem spring resonance.
A piece of broken string left on the bridge.
String tree vs string angle.
Worn/poorly crowned frets - or a low fret somewhere.
String height doesn't quite follow the fretboard radius.
Pickups; especially those with staggered polepieces (D&G-pieces may be higher & thus closer to the string than what you'd expect).

And so on and so on... But as said: we need feedback from the OP to get this solved.


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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:12 pm
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So yeah... Had the same problem every other string sounded super clean but I would get this buzz on the g steing that also killed the sustain... It got worse if distortion was applied.... Pretty much if I wanted to play a solo I had to stay away from that string... Absolutely ridiculous I thiught... Since I just had paid 1,300 hunderd bucks for a guitar... That's a lot of money for me... Took it to Guitar Center for a proper set up... The guy said he lefted perfect.... Played it there... Sounded alright to me... Took it home and the buzz was still there.... I started playing with the settings myself... Increasing the action and lowering it.... Basically if I wanted it to stop buzzing I would have to set the action ridiculously high... Nou acceptable... So I would lower the action to an acceptable setting then raised the string height on the bridge... I would have to raise them as high as I could in order to reduce the buzz... And it would frustrate the s*** out of me because it was just in that string.... I got a recommendation for a great tech so I was going to take it to him... It was going to be 60 bucks he said for a proper ajustment ...
I put heavier gauge strings, .11 and that helped reduce it dramatically... But they are a little too thick for my style... I don't mind the extra hand workout but it just not my style.... Put some tens and the buzz came back.... Finally, I decided to try and mess with the screws that are behind the brindge that adjusts the little things that set the height of the strings... No idea what they are called... But if you put tension ( rotate the screw clockwise) it moves it back, and the other way it moves it forward.... So I moved it forward... And the buzz is fibally gone! Halleluja! Seems like the string when it goes through the hole if it's in a wrong place the string vibrates againts the metal... Anyways... I really don't know what the parts are called... But you should release a little tension from there it moves the string bridge for each steing forward or backwards... Move it forward so the string has more room in the back and not touch any other piece .... That did it for me and O am so freaking happy ... It's not even funny... I was literally going insane.


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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 3:36 pm
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Unfortunately Lui, it sounds like what you've done is adjust the intonation by moving the saddle backwards or forwards. I don't really understand why this should fix your buzz problem (if it has) but your G string will no longer play in tune all the way up the neck...


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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 7:19 pm
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stiggie_9 wrote:
Unfortunately Lui, it sounds like what you've done is adjust the intonation by moving the saddle backwards or forwards. I don't really understand why this should fix your buzz problem (if it has) but your G string will no longer play in tune all the way up the neck...

In this case it sounds like a previous owner had backed the saddle up almost against the bridge, guess that could cause a vibration buzz but if so and he moved it forward he likely got the intonation closer to being correct than it was before. A trip to a decent guitar tech still wouldn't hurt though. Or a least some DIY videos on the proper way to set up a guitar. If an inexperienced previous owner fiddled with the G then there is a good chance that he messed with all of them and the intonation could be off on all strings, just not buzzing.


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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:40 am
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Lui Sutil wrote:
I just had paid 1,300 hunderd bucks for a guitar...

But you won't pay about hundred to get it set up by a pro so it plays right?
:roll:

A guitar won't magically convert to a proper setup state by turning random screws to random directions.
You have to know the starting point, the desired end point and what to do to get there.
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Post subject: Re: G String Buzz
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 1:03 pm
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You are correct... I was messing with the intonation... And i fixed it in a way that now all of my strigs will be properly intonated and in tune.... But for some reason on the g steing when the intonation device it's too far back the strings vinrate against the hole and other parts of metal.... But now I definitely figured out what was causing my G string buzz on my american standard stratocaster.... After taking it to a tech with no avail, measing with the action, string height, intonation, etc.... I finally figured put what was causing the buzz... If you have the same problem and it gets worse or atleast more noticiable when you ad overdrive or distortion lower the pickups.... I lowered the pickups as far down as I could.... Them re set up my strat... I basically went as low as I could with the action , very low on string height, basically I can set it up now to my hearts desire . It just needed some good ol' pickup lowering.... The reason this might be it's because I changed the pickguard to a single plu black pickguard ... So that messed with the pickup height for me.... Now all I did is slowly bring them up until it starts to buzz ... Thankg god for that!
Now I finally know why I paid 1,300 bucks for this ... It plays like butter and sounds great.


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