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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 3:43 pm
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No, the underlying coats will still bleed thru as they force their way thru the exterior coat to cure.

There's only a couple of solutions,
Bake the finish in an oven
Strip and refinish correctly.

My guess is that not only were the undelying coats not allowed to cure between coats, but too many coats were applied and a sealer was not used between the original Poly coat and the newer Nitro coats. The process for painting guitars is alsmost the same as for automobiles since much of the paints compounds are similar.....

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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:23 pm
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No, the underlying coats will still bleed thru as they force their way thru the exterior coat to cure.

There's only a couple of solutions,
Bake the finish in an oven
Strip and refinish correctly.

My guess is that not only were the undelying coats not allowed to cure between coats, but too many coats were applied and a sealer was not used between the original Poly coat and the newer Nitro coats. The process for painting guitars is alsmost the same as for automobiles since much of the paints compounds are similar.....


At what temperature should I bake it and how long for?
Thank you for all your replies dear friends. This guitar is a gift from a friend. He bought it for me and that was a few months back when I posted this thread. He had this guitar in the hard molded fender case. I only got to hold this guitar in my hands last week. I will fly back to Greece where I live and plug it in my Rivera there. What I can hear through my pocket pod at the moment is I got a resonant body that plays loud and has a lot of harmonics easily at every position of the five way switch. It could had been wiser to have bought a second hand from a shop but I was attracted to the nitro laquer and thought I should risk it. If it did not make a noticeable difference to a urethane body I still would not mind since I love the looks of it. The only thing is that the paint still feels fresh after all these months and I would like to get rid of this fine hair and then stabilize it


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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:06 pm
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I just shot a few photos there so you can all see and evaluate. I have no doubt she is original. I have also checked the pickups and pots and selector and they are all stock. So my only concern really is how to harden the paint so it stops being sticky.


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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 10:40 pm
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My earlier post was refering to baking with UV rays, NOT in a common kitchen oven.
It probably has been done but this is not my recommendation. No .. the type of curing oven I was speaking about are UV lights set up in a square boxed in area as large as required.

Look up this process there should be quite a bit of info in various threads.

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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 3:35 am
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My earlier post was refering to baking with UV rays, NOT in a common kitchen oven.
It probably has been done but this is not my recommendation. No .. the type of curing oven I was speaking about are UV lights set up in a square boxed in area as large as required.

Look up this process there should be quite a bit of info in various threads.

That looks a bit hard to do at the moment, any agent I could apply and harden or cure this nitro?


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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 7:22 am
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That looks a bit hard to do at the moment, any agent I could apply and harden or cure this nitro?

No, there isn't.

However, since you are unlikely to build a UV cabinet just to cure the finish on one guitar, another method is simply to hang it where sunlight will fall on it. The brighter the sun, the better - the sunshine in Greece will be great. It will take longer than a UV cabinet, several weeks, but the end result is the same.

You sure as heck ain't going to find much bright sunlight in the UK just at the moment! (I'm looking out the window at horizontal rain...)

And once again, keeping the guitar out of the case will also help. Because solvent needs to evaporate from the lacquer surface, and the case will slow that down.

Good luck - C

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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 8:12 am
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Ok Ceri, thank you! I will let her rest on her stand by the window and she will get well. As soon as I plug her in I will post my opinion on her sound too!


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Posted: Tue Jan 29, 2013 9:47 am
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Don't let the guitar rest in the stand, as mentioned earlier the rubber pads on your stand will negatively react with the still uncured paint . You will have to suspend the guitar so that no parts of the body are resting on any surface or object. You will get indentations in the finish from the stand ( ask me how I know :?: :roll: ) ....
If you don't refinish then patience and time is what is needed. leave the guitar hanging for a few weeks, once the finish is cured, then you possibly could lightly sand out imperfections and shoot it with a few coats of clear. If you are not sure how to refinish at home and how to get a professional looking finish ask one of us.

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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Wed Jan 30, 2013 6:07 pm
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Today I am back home, brought my lovely white strat home with me. I handed it in the fragile goods at Manchester airport and as soon as I got her on the conveyor belt of the Athens airport, I opened up the case to check the guitar. She came back alright, so I came home and plugged her in my Rivera. She sings really! he is a very nice guitar, vibrant and alive. A bit trebly, but rolling off on the volume and tone brings things to a balance. The only bad thing about the whole travel was I noticed my guitar case was not closing properly without the latches. Then I realized what was wrong. They broke my case at transportation :evil: .

http://s1101.beta.photobucket.com/user/ ... ite%20lady?

I sent an email to the airline company and wait for their statement to see if they will compensate for the damage. They really hit this case hard and broke it. I have posted pics in the above link, so if anyone knows how to repair it (in case they refuse to compensate for not making a statement before leaving the airport) I would like to have a few opinions. Other than that, I have a lovely strat, hotter than vintage, but crystal clear tone :D .

Thanks for all the help, I hope someone knows what type of glue will be most suitable in case I have to fix it myself.


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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:37 pm
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Any ideas how could I fix the guitar case if I can't get compensation for it?



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Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 2:54 pm
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A little off topic, but a few weeks ago I read a story about a guy who had a 1965 Gibson ES-335 that got caught in the lift for the luggage and it crushed his case and damaged the guitar some. It was going to cost $1800 to fix and the airline was only offering $1000. The guy had video of the incident and after the story got out, the airline offered to pay to fix it. Gibson also heard about it and offered to fix it, and gave the guy a 50th anniversary 1963 reissue ES-335.


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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Thu Jan 31, 2013 4:21 pm
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If you didn't file a complaint while at the airport, the burden of proof is on you. As inexpensive as these cases are I would just ask for a replacement if not then just buy one yourself. The amount of time it is going to take to redress the issue isn't worth the cost of the case ... $60 -$80 tops.
There are many used one's for sale ...

From the pics the guitar looks better than I had assumed, nevertheless a light sanding and a couple of clear coats would solve hte issue ....that of course with letting the paint cure..

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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 3:55 am
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I had some gibson pump polish in my studio, that I use on my Gibson nitro laquered Nighthawk. I tried it on this strat, and it worked nicely, hardened the coat a little bit, and it is not as sticky now. I bet one month just hanging in the dry studio will do her good. A few more pump polish coats for her nitro will possibly help too. I am not really trying to stop the coating from wearing, as it will become roadworn quite soon, but I hate the fine hair from the guitar case stuck on the white laquer. I think I got lucky with that pump spray thing...

Still haven't got any news from the airline company. They will probably pay the amount of a new guitar case, as the same with mine is not available anymore, only second hand. So they will either decide to give me 149.99 $ so I could buy the fender SBK, or considerably less to get a similar to mine. Either way, if I can fix mine it will be cooler, as it came with this guitar and it has that rolling stones sticker on it... :D
I might try some super glue, or PVC glue for pipes and see what comes out of it... I just hate to throw it away if it can be fixed.


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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Fri Feb 01, 2013 5:32 am
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One time I was sitting in a plane at Chicago airport waiting to push back and set off. Then it turned out someone was being taken off the flight and his luggage had to be located in the hold and removed with him: airlines can't fly with unaccompanied baggage. I looked out the window and saw the baggage handlers literally throwing dozens of suitcases from the high hold door on a 747 down onto the tarmac below till they found the one they were looking for. Suitcases were landing on their corners, bouncing around, ricocheting off each other and getting stepped on and kicked about by the guys on the ground. And then they were all picked up and hurled back up to the person in the hold.

Any item of luggage you fly with, including instrument cases, has to be able to survive that treatment. Nobody at airports really gives a damn about your property: it's cheaper to compensate the few who complain than improve handling methods.

spdphoto, your case may be wrecked but it saved your guitar from whatever happened. In the world of air travel that counts as a good result.

Keep at them for compensation.

Cheers - C

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