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Post subject: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 4:50 pm
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I need your help here, please. By the look of the last photo of the body without pickguard, I see what seems to be pencil lines. The owner claims he ripped off the poly coat and painted the body in nitro laquer. Does it look ok to you? Should I carry on and buy it? I checked the serial and I believe it is correct, but I can't tell about the body, is it an original, or a copy?


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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:48 pm
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I am certainly not Expert enough to comment on it's authenticity or not.

One major component is missing from your inquiry... Price ! A refinished genuine Stratocaster may be worth buying at a certain price, perhaps even a possible fake (assuming it plays well).

But, my question is: With all the quality, verifiable, Stratocasters for sale out there, why even take a chance on one that is 'iffy'.. ??

If it is a genuine Strat and you pass on it, there are sure to be others come along. If it's a fake, you help discourage the counterfeiters out there, making the marketplace a little safer for eveyone.

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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Sat Nov 10, 2012 5:49 pm
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Looks like the real deal to me, but refinished like the owner said. I don't know what the price on it is, but the refinish would knock the value down quite a bit.


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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 5:03 am
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The owner claims he ripped off the poly coat and painted the body in
nitro laquer. Does it look ok to you?

Hi spdphoto: What colour does he say it started as? From the neck pocket and around
the barcode in the pickup cavity it looks as if it was white to begin with - but it would
be a very odd thing to strip a white guitar and then paint it white again. It would
certainly suggest it must have taken a real beating, which might give you pause for
thought...

And frankly it's a horrible looking paint job. The wood is showing through where the paint
is thin along the top edges of the pickup cavities (is that what you were interpreting as
pencil lines?), and the paint doesn't seem to be bonded to the sides of the cavities
properly at all, which might have to do with someone who doesn't know how to use
nitro, or how to prep surfaces. And the surface buffing is just crap. Altogether, I'd have
a strong worry that new paint isn't going to last for long before starting to fall off:

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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Sun Nov 11, 2012 9:36 am
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Thank you all for your replies. The guitar price is 600 british pounds, and to be honest, I decided to buy it after talking to the seller. He said it is all original as it left the corona factory, apart from the paint work. I quite like it roadworn as it is and worn as it will get with time. Besides, I can always return it if it is not good. So we are talking about a stock 2004-2005 strat, initially white in poly, already in nitro and worn. I quite liked her in the photos, I hope she plays as well as she looks... :D


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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Mon Nov 12, 2012 8:45 am
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Ceri...I am like you a little suspicious of striping a perfectly good white poly finish and then repainting it Nitro White. Why? And the photos show a relic'd finish but nothing to make me believe it is Nitro...no fading for the amount of relic'ing it has.

As for the Photobucket issue, yeah, I hated the beta and opted to go back to the alpha version at least until they do away with it. I had a hard time navigating to find the things I wanted to do with it...like uhhh post my pics here!

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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:46 pm
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Ceri...I am like you a little suspicious of striping a perfectly good white poly finish and then repainting it Nitro White. Why? And the photos show a relic'd finish but nothing to make me believe it is Nitro...no fading for the amount of relic'ing it has.

not only that, but to me it looks like who ever painted it did a horrible job, then decided to scuff it up and pass it off as a relic instead of putting in time and effort to do a good job.

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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Sat Nov 17, 2012 2:02 am
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I understand what you are saying, apparently for the same reason I created this post here. The case is that a good friend of mine wanted to buy me a strat, and I was in for a vintage one, but could not really afford the hot rod 62 at the moment, or even a relic one. Then I came across this one in ebay, it looked nice to me, and he bought it. The guitar is currently in my friend's house in UK. The same day he got it, he had a friend of his ( a strat player) play the guitar and he said it was a good player. I will meet with my gift in January, so no news until then. I just hope he hasn't wasted good money, otherwise, I would do the same if I could, i.e strip the poly coat and apply a nitro that according to fender allows the body to resonate more and create a richer tone.

I will keep you informed as soon as I get my hands on this guitar. Thank you all for the help, I will get back on this.
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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 6:52 am
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I am currently in the UK and played my strat through a pocket pod. Until I go back home and plug into my Rivera I will not know what she really sounds like. I must admit though that my first impression has been very good. The guitar is extremely vibrant and the tone through my earphones is that of an authentic USA strat, but not a vintage one as she feels quite hot on the pickups. All the electronics are original. I must say the nitro paint on her is sticky and there is a lot of fine black hair stuck on it from the hard case interior. When I try to remove this little black hair with my fingernail I get some paint off the body as well. So I do not know what to do really. Anybody any ideas?


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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 7:55 am
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Strip .....Have it repainted correctly ..... Which demands time for the paint to cure ... Unless you or the painter have access to a UV curing oven .....

The pics have been removed or are unavailable at this point .
Could you please update us with clear closeups so we can see the mess ...... Yes ...paint is still curing which is why it's adhering to it's surroundings.
I don't know what was the buying price but a guitar in this state should not have been purchased and I would be highly skeptical of the claims of originality considering.

Take pics of the hardware and electronics as well as front to back, neck, head etc ...
Post them and some of us may be able to tell if this is worth keeping or not ..

Sorry to be harsh but on this one I would say that Caveat Emptor should have been heeded...

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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 8:17 am
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spdphoto wrote:
I am currently in the UK and played my strat through a pocket pod. Until I go back home and plug into my Rivera I will not know what she really sounds like. I must admit though that my first impression has been very good. The guitar is extremely vibrant and the tone through my earphones is that of an authentic USA strat, but not a vintage one as she feels quite hot on the pickups. All the electronics are original. I must say the nitro paint on her is sticky and there is a lot of fine black hair stuck on it from the hard case interior. When I try to remove this little black hair with my fingernail I get some paint off the body as well. So I do not know what to do really. Anybody any ideas?


Out of curiosity, since you had to wait to see this guitar when in the UK, why not just shop for a guitar while in the UK instead of the E-Bay risk of a rip off ..... I don't get this one ....

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Post subject: Re: Real or fake? White nitro strat
Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 9:17 am
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spdphoto wrote:
I must say the nitro paint on her is sticky and there is a lot of fine black hair stuck on it from the hard case interior. When I try to remove this little black hair with my fingernail I get some paint off the body as well. So I do not know what to do really. Anybody any ideas?

Hi again spdphoto: assuming it's real nitro like the seller said then it must be very young and is still curing. That can take a long time with nitro: a month before it's hard enough for polishing up and a lot longer to cure completely.

The way it cures is that the solvent gradually works its way up through the lacquer and evaporates from the surface. So keeping it in a case is slowing down the curing process as well as imprinting fibres and texture from the case lining onto the soft paint. You need to keep it out of the case as much as possible and preferably hanging up so it's not touching anything. Rubber in particular can react badly with nitro so don't put it on a guitar stand. If all else fails, use its own strap to suspend it, from a coat hanger, say.

Later on you are at the very least going to need to polish it up a lot to take off the black fibres and restore it to a glass-smooth finish. You may need to go at it with automotive swirl remover or metal polish or something similar too.

Or you could just do what 53magnatone said and strip and refinish it. From what I remember of the guy's now deleted photos his paint job wasn't exactly perfect...


spdphoto wrote:
I am currently in the UK and played my strat through a pocket pod. Until I go back home and plug into my Rivera I will not know what she really sounds like. I must admit though that my first impression has been very good. The guitar is extremely vibrant and the tone through my earphones is that of an authentic USA strat, but not a vintage one as she feels quite hot on the pickups. All the electronics are original.

Are you in London, by any chance? If so you might want to do what Nikininja did when he was in my town with a new Les Paul he wanted to hear: we went to Denmark Street where many of the guitar shops are and called in at Vintage & Rare Guitars where he plugged into a beautiful old Fender amp. He told them he wanted to try out the amp but really he was listening to the guitar. I was listening to both!

It's a bit of a cheeky way to behave, but it's hard to visit those shops without buying a pedal or some such, so they'll likely get something out of it. As well as the pleasure of listening to you play, of course.

If you must have a Rivera amp... I can't honestly remember who the dealerships are for those in the UK, and Googling hasn't helped. Maybe one of the other UK Forumites knows?

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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:12 am
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If you like the body, buy it. But I wouldn't pay that price, for 600, that's awful close to buying a whole guitar...

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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 11:28 am
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DetroitBlues wrote:
If you like the body, buy it. But I wouldn't pay that price, for 600, that's awful close to buying a whole guitar...

Hi DB: this is a revived thread from a couple of months ago. It is a whole guitar and spdphoto did buy it. Now he just wants it to stop coming off on his fingers...

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Posted: Mon Jan 28, 2013 1:34 pm
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Ceri wrote:
DetroitBlues wrote:
If you like the body, buy it. But I wouldn't pay that price, for 600, that's awful close to buying a whole guitar...

Hi DB: this is a revived thread from a couple of months ago. It is a whole guitar and spdphoto did buy it. Now he just wants it to stop coming off on his fingers...

Cheers - C



Doh, I should of noticed..... Clearcoat of Duplicolor Lacqour should do it....

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