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Post subject: Question about playing same note on different strings
Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:44 am
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I'm studying scales now and encountered what I think may be a problem with my American Standard stratocaster:

1) I play the B string open
2) I play what should be the same B on the fourth fret of the G string
3) The two notes sound different.

I thought they should sound exactly the same.

Is this a problem, or is it normal?

I am using a stock guitar with factory strings.


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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:47 am
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its out of tune

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:57 am
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bluestube wrote:
its out of tune


Either you are out of tune or the intonation is off. Play the natural harmonic on the 12th fret and then actually fret the note on the 12th fret. Doing this with a tuner is also good. If the intonation is not the same for both, you need to have it tweaked.

Anything more then that wil be a problem with the neck, wich could be either simple or not. Try tuning it (with a tuner), then check the above first.

Also, changing string guages will cause everything to have to be redone as well.


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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 8:28 am
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But it's probably just out of tune.

Unless what you mean is that the timbre of the note (and not the actual pitch) is different. That's a function of string length and it can't be helped.


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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 7:39 pm
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You could spend the rest of your life studying temperament, tuning and the Pythagorean comma...

Get your strat Fitenized (about $140) and then get a good tuner like a Korg D-7 or any Peterson tuner... these all support the Feiten temperament system... you simply can not get into better tune than that.


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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:19 pm
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Hello RudyH

My brother-in-law had the same problem.
He was listening to the timbre and not the pitch.

Gravity Jim you get an A+ for that one.

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Posted: Wed Apr 23, 2008 9:32 pm
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Open strings will sound different, tone wise, from fretted strings--so will wound & unwound. That's one of the beauties of playing guitar. Go to different spots on the neck and get different tones--sometimes that sparks new ideas--or makes a song sound as good as it does--and can be the difference between a the original band playing a song--and a copy band playing it.

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 6:13 am
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Thank you very much for the help in this matter. I appreciate it. We got an electronic tuner and found that both notes are indeed B, but they do sound different. Now I need to learn an appreciation for what timbre is. I am studying music theory as a beginner, but have not gotten that far yet.


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Tempered for a guitar tuning means that essentially, all the error that exists on the board after the intonation has been set, is distributed equally along the length of the fretboard... if that help any??


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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:52 am
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Why is it that Timbre is pronounced "TAHMMBRUH"? It is here in the UK anyway.. Must be French.

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Posted: Thu Apr 24, 2008 7:56 am
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"Timbre" is pronounced "TAM-bur" in the US.

Stratholic, you're missing the point... the note is in tune, he's just reacting to the different timbre of the same note played at different positions on the neck (your obviously deep knowledge of the discrepancies in the 12-tone system notwithstanding).


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