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great explanation Yitty.


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a really great book that has helped many a guitar player start out in the blues is called "Blues You Can Use", it has all of the basics to get you started and get you to the point were you can start to get your own groove going.

there is allways a copy online for sale.

keep'n the Blues alive for another generation is a worthwhile cause !!!!


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thanks alot guys :D i now might just stand a chance of sounding decent at my next band practice


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Someone stopped me and asked "How do I get to Carnagie Hall?" I said Practice, practice, practice!


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yitty79 wrote:
Well, you gotta KNOW the rules before you can break 'em. Does that make sense? Miles Davis could be so free because he had done his time within the rules. The funny thing about extreme jazz (like Davis) is it's usually the most advanced training in a music program.

What knowing your scales and stuff does for you is give you a frame of reference for your creativity. The pentatonic scale is pretty fundamental for everything in guitar. The blues scale just adds a note or two to it.

Let's say you're playing the blues in A. The notes of your A minor pentatonic scale would go something like this:

e -----------------------------------------5--8-------------
B ----------------------------------5--8--------------------
G ----------------------------5--7--------------------------
D --------------------5---7---------------------------------
A -------------5---7----------------------------------------
E -----5--8------------------------------------------------

Try just messing around with this set of notes for a while and see what it does for you. Later, add in a couple extra notes:


e ----------------------------------------------------5--7--8--
B ---------------------------------------------5--8------------
G -----------------------------------5--7--8------------------
D -------------------------5--7--9----------------------------
A ---------------5--6--7--------------------------------------
E -----5--7--8-----------------------------------------------



Adding the blue notes turns your minor pentatonic scale into a blues scale (in music theory, it's called the flatted 5th, often called the "blue note" by jazz and blues players). Adding the red notes makes your minor pentatonic a hexatonic scale often used by Jimi Hendrix and Eric Clapton.

Like I said, fiddle around with these two scales and see if that helps you in your quest for the blues.


well thats good advice but im gonna stick to what i do. if this helps others learn this way then i think thats great, or if they choose to find good combinations my way then great too. as long as you get to the same conclusion thats all that matters.

btw though miles kinda stunk though technically though you know?:wink: thelonious was kinda more proper in working maticulously in the set grooves and changes and composition of them. miles always played it differently.


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To play like the greats you have to be able to handle a major and minor scale mixed together. For example, E major blues are easy to play. Lots of hammers and slides are used in blues, getting a slide (if you haven't already got one) will help. Try using major arpeggios and flicks. Change to the bridge pickup andthen you can get the bluesy twangy sound used by the likes of SRV and Eric Clapton. Practice you're scales, and just use all the notes in both of them mixed together. Add in the first fret on the G, D and A strings, and add the second fret on the B string. Hopefully, it'll work for you. :D


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I would like a cd of blues licks that I could just copy by ear!


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OK... so to add to the original two scale charts:



A Minor Pentatnoic
e -----------------------------------------5--8-------------
B ----------------------------------5--8--------------------
G ----------------------------5--7--------------------------
D --------------------5---7---------------------------------
A -------------5---7----------------------------------------
E -----5--8------------------------------------------------




A Minor Blues Scale or A Minor Hexatonic
e ----------------------------------------------------5--7--8--
B ---------------------------------------------5--8------------
G -----------------------------------5--7--8------------------
D -------------------------5--7--9----------------------------
A ---------------5--6--7--------------------------------------
E -----5--7--8-----------------------------------------------



The Major Thirds to Create a Play Between Minor and Major (make sure they fit over the particular chord you're playing
e -------------------------------------------------------------------------4--5--7--8--
B -----------------------------------------------------------------5--7--8------------
G ----------------------------------------------------5--6--7--8------------------
D ----------------------------------4--5--6--7--9--------------------------------
A ------------------4--5--6--7-----------------------------------------------
E ---4--5--7--8------------------------------------------------------------


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TonesFernandez:

I found the following book/CD to be immensely helpful. It is the best book on guitar playing I own. I had exactly the same issue as you and now I am making very good progress.

http://www.amazon.com/How-Play-Electric ... 134&sr=1-2


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To play the blues, you've got to play blues scales. Blues is a music form that always has a lot of runs through scales, whether it's Clapton, Mayer, Buddy Guy, Cray or BB King. If you stay in the proper scale, you can't go wrong and if like me you're kind of intermediate, pretty limited and play a lot of music by greats, you'll play much better knowing the scales they're using when writing their stuff.

Blues scales aren't limited. On You Tube watch Crossroad Blues with Clapton and John Mayer. Usually that song's in "E" if I remember right, but Mayer is playing the "BB Box" of blues in "C" and so maybe they mixed it up. Clapton also may be playing "C" but Clapton plays from the 1st to the 22d fret. That's easily done all in "C."

Check this out for great charts.

http://12bar.de/soloscal.php


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Sorry memory's no good - Crossroads is Blues in A.


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The King himself said if he had one regret it is that he didnt learn more theory of music.

he said he wished he was a more well rounded musician.

yep B.B. himself said those things in an interview I have on one of my DVD's, I believe its on the Blues Summit one.

hey if your going to express yourself using a tool like a guitar, why not know all you can and expand your ability ????


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blues bondsman wrote:
The King himself said if he had one regret it is that he didnt learn more theory of music.

he said he wished he was a more well rounded musician.

yep B.B. himself said those things in an interview I have on one of my DVD's, I believe its on the Blues Summit one.

hey if your going to express yourself using a tool like a guitar, why not know all you can and expand your ability ????

That's funny you should say that. I happened to turn on the TV last night and U2's "Rattle and Hum" was on. They were rehearsing "When Love Comes to Town" with BB and BB says "I don't do Chords, I'm not so good at them. I need someone to do the chords" Bono told him the Edge would handle the Chords. So BB threw in his famous licks over the rhythm and the rest is history.


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Strataholic wrote:
I would like a cd of blues licks that I could just copy by ear!


Strataholic, that would be the Allman Brothers Band "At Fillmore East" album, IMO.

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One appealing thing about BB is that he is very humble in spirit. He's not going to say he's good at anything, but he'll work it around so The Edge (who just plays chords anyway, dig?) is somehow the better guitar player when playing with the great BB King who "needs somebody" who "knows how to play" chords. Check out the music for "You Done Lost Your Good Thing Now" if you want to see a freakin' masterpiece. He knows the chords. Heck, I know the chords. You know the chords. His songs from the 1950s and 1960s, which I have, use every imaginable chord including jazz standards like the 6s and 13ths and whatnot. BB also has admitted that he reads and writes music although he says he's slow at it. He's not just picking it out like the Delta musicians of old. He's actually writing it out, which is one reason every note flows beautifully and without much boring repetition. BB is a musical genius who basically invented electric blues as we know it. Compare Clapton's Crossroads to Robert Johnson's (available on Youtube) and you'll see a huge difference in approach from the Delta to London. What's the bridge? BB, who did a lot of the inventing of that electric blues guitar solo sound that Eric picked up. One thing about BB King is his style is so strong on the instrument - "Lucille" - that it's bordering on jazz. You Done Lost Your Good Thing Now and several other of his songs are great as instrumentals, which is how I usually play them, and really are a jazz/blues fusion. BB King on You Tube is on a bunch of jazz shows also in the 1960s and so I'm not the only one who saw that.

U2 is a great rock band and I love their creativity and melody, but BB King knows how to play it. He's wise enough as a guest to put The Edge above him - because The Edge can play chords!


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