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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 8:21 am
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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 12:31 pm
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It's all marketing. Even snobs need products for themselves. We can't forget the snobs. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 2:43 pm
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Nothing explains the amazing price of those Duncan pickups. Silver is affordable


Yes, but "MOJO" is expensve. Even perceived "MOJO" comes at a high cost. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Wed Sep 05, 2012 4:26 pm
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I wouldn't pay $1K for ANY set of pickups even if ol Seymore comes to my house and installs them!

This is just crazy marketing schtick!

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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:49 am
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I like the Box....I wonder if the seller would consider selling me the box without the pickups.. :?:
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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 1:17 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Nothing explains the amazing price of those Duncan pickups. Silver is affordable: type "sterling silver wire" into Ebay or Google and you'll find plenty of it at perfectly sensible prices. Here's some 0.03mm (approx. 47 gauge) silver wire at £13 / $20 for ten metres (first item on the page):

It's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not...

Standard strat pickups have something like 7500 turns per pickup. Even guessing at 4 inches per turn that's like 750+ meters of wire per pickup. I think buying a few sets of zephyrs and reselling the wire on ebay at those prices would net someone a fortune. You could triple your money and then some.

Twenty years ago when silver was $3/troy oz. these would have made more sense.


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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:17 pm
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Now who's being sarcastic.... :?: :lol:

I would really like to see someone buy these....Then set about unwinding them to net a profit on the commodities market....Really.... :wink:

Seriously the amount of time that it would take to unwind each pickup, that is taking into account that one would not break the strands while carefully unwinding them... Is about as foolish as the person selling them on E-Bay.....

Pass the Popcorn Please.....This thread may just get to be quite entertaining after all..... :wink: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 4:41 pm
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I own a set of Seymour's "jewelry" pickups. Not the silver wound one's, I'm not that crazy. But, a set of the limited edition Bonamassa pickups. They came in a nice box, each pickups is in a black jewelry pouch, inside the pouch they are wrapped in black tissue paper with gold tape. I really wouldn't have cared if they were in a plastic baggie, but it's still nice. They've been sitting on a shelf until I get the right guitar to try them in. And they were cheap, about $400. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:21 pm
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Pickups are not about Alchemy, but obviously in this day and age it is.
The engineering behind the pickups we use is old school, the tone that so many people are after was achieved by accident, simply because some of these pickups were wound so many times and the components were arranged in such a way and the materials used were what was available back in the 1950's.....

No one is going to convince me that the $400 price tag let alone $1,000 is going to give a sound so unbelievable that the initial cost was a bargain......No.. :roll: ... that is mostly clever marketing on Seymour Duncan's part and realizing how to separate a fool from their gold..... :lol: ....
I don't see where the justification for so called jewelry pickups is unless one just seeks the Cache of Bling.....
If spending $400 for something that sits on the shelf is your choice than so be it.
I personally would prefer some honesty from Seymour Duncan that these priceless pickups really are 750 times better than the $250 set, I fail to see the honesty when a fairly simple product is wrapped up to imitate a 50 year old Omega Constellation or Seamaster.... :wink:
If these so called pickups are so amazing, there is no need for the jewelry box cache, of course that is unless said guitar is sitting in a humidity controlled curios...... :shock: :wink: :roll:

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Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:46 pm
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If spending $400 for something that sits on the shelf is your choice than so be it.


Thank you, I feel better knowing you approve. They won't sit on a shelf too much longer, and I figure with these pickups, a $50K rig and some talent, I can sound just like Joe B. :lol:
I don't throw money away, but I quit depriving myself a few years ago. It doesn't bother me that Seymour or anyone else can build a company and make a profit off their products. I'm glad he's around doing what he's doing. If no one buys the silver wound pups, I'm sure he won't make anymore. No one is being forced to buy his products or anything else on ebay. If he misrepresented them, that would be different. But I don't see that.

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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 5:51 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Nothing explains the amazing price of those Duncan pickups. Silver is affordable: type "sterling silver wire" into Ebay or Google and you'll find plenty of it at perfectly sensible prices. Here's some 0.03mm (approx. 47 gauge) silver wire at £13 / $20 for ten metres (first item on the page):

It's hard to tell if you're being sarcastic or not...

Hello kc0bbq: really? Then let me be clear: no sarcasm. I meant exactly what I said. If you compare the relative prices of copper and silver, factoring in the difference in resistance of the two metals (which after all can be the only justification for offering silver wound pickups, on the basis of some supposed tonal advantage) then when you've done the sums there is no possible justification on monetary grounds for charging $1000 a set for single coil pickups.

Unless that's a mighty pricy wooden box they're presented in.

(That last sentence was not sarcastic either. But it was mildly facetious, towards anyone who'd actually buy these silver pickups. And if they're ready to throw money around that way they will probably have to get used to some friendly laughter.)

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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Thu Sep 06, 2012 6:03 pm
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I wonder if that pickup wire alleviates arthritis pain while you play?

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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 4:53 am
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Drew365 wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
If spending $400 for something that sits on the shelf is your choice than so be it.


Thank you, I feel better knowing you approve. They won't sit on a shelf too much longer, and I figure with these pickups, a $50K rig and some talent, I can sound just like Joe B. :lol:
I don't throw money away, but I quit depriving myself a few years ago. It doesn't bother me that Seymour or anyone else can build a company and make a profit off their products. I'm glad he's around doing what he's doing. If no one buys the silver wound pups, I'm sure he won't make anymore. No one is being forced to buy his products or anything else on ebay. If he misrepresented them, that would be different. But I don't see that.


Here's a table of conductivity values for various metals...


SPECIFIC RESISTANCE AT 20 DEGREES CELSIUS


Material Element/Alloy (ohm-cmil/ft) (microohm-cm)
===============================================================
Nichrome ------ Alloy --------------- 675 ----------- 112.2
Nichrome V ---- Alloy --------------- 650 ----------- 108.1
Manganin ------ Alloy --------------- 290 ----------- 48.21
Constantan ---- Alloy --------------- 272.97 -------- 45.38
Steel* -------- Alloy --------------- 100 ----------- 16.62
Platinum ----- Element -------------- 63.16 --------- 10.5
Iron --------- Element -------------- 57.81 --------- 9.61
Nickel ------- Element -------------- 41.69 --------- 6.93
Zinc --------- Element -------------- 35.49 --------- 5.90
Molybdenum — Element -------------- 32.12 --------- 5.34
Tungsten ----- Element -------------- 31.76 --------- 5.28
Aluminum ----- Element -------------- 15.94 --------- 2.650
Gold --------- Element -------------- 13.32 --------- 2.214
Copper ------- Element -------------- 10.09 --------- 1.678
Silver ------- Element -------------- 9.546 --------- 1.587

Copper versus Silver is around a 7% difference, which no matter how you cut it, does not justify the cost for the perceived results.....Especially in light of if you are going to use these Silver pups, whatever benefit they may have will be negated by the fact that the rest of the electronics in the guitar have not been upgraded, as well as your cord ( or are we going wireless ). All the circuitry in your average amp is most definitely not silver based wiring and solder.....
For me this is just another escalation ( :lol: ) in convincing people that the problem to their sound, or lack thereof solely lies in their inferior pickups...Absolute Rubbish.....
You can take a plain set of vintage pups out of a MIM, completely overhaul the electronics to high end pots, rewire for a different configuration, add TBX tone pots, change caps.....
What reveals itself is a completely different sounding set of pickups. This is just One in many different ways to hook up your pickups, there are quite a few legit sites which are all about changing your pickups colors for a fraction of the cost of new pickups, it just takes a little research in finding out what is real and what is lipstick on a pig..... :wink:

As far as silver's benefit on audio equipment, that.... I'm well aware of it's use in high end audio such as Bang & Olufsen.

Concerning my approval.... :lol: :lol: :wink: :roll: It is not for me to do either in any one's choice of purchase, however it is well within parameters to state an opinion that such pickups are overkill in light of where/who they are targeting....
If the silver pups are so great, then the product should sell itself and not have to rely on a bling facade advertising spiel/spin..... :roll:

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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 10:40 am
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I have a hard enough time justifying buying a guitar that costs $1000 let alone a single pickup for the same price. Unless I suddenly became stupid rich I do not foresee buying these pickups.

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Post subject: Re: $1,000 Seymour Duncan Pups worth it?
Posted: Fri Sep 07, 2012 11:25 am
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I have a hard enough time justifying buying a guitar that costs $1000 let alone a single pickup for the same price. Unless I suddenly became stupid rich I do not foresee buying these pickups.

Pass...


Ah, but per the E-Bay auction, you are getting THREE pickups for $1000. :lol: :lol: :lol:

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