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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Tue Sep 25, 2012 5:28 pm
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Ah-ha, missed this thread till now...
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Was there a screw in that extra hole? Perhaps holding the two corresponding tuners in that may have been loose?

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no screw ... that hole was just there below the two middle tuners with no apparent reason, the rest of the holes correspond to every tuner spot.

Hi idddent: very interesting thread, thanks for sharing it.

Pretty sure that mystery hole is there from the manufacturing process. Did you see orvilleowner's post on page two? He's bound to be right.

Keep up the good work! Can't wait to see what you do about the lacquer on the neck. And do we have any thoughts about the headstock logo? I wonder if this is a case where Fender might agree to supply a replacement decal? Probably not, but it would do no harm to send a PM to Rob Schwarz in Consumer Services and let him know about this thread - at the least he'd be interested to see! :)

Here's Rob: memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=220539

Good luck - C

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 12:03 am
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Hey Ceri, thanx for the contact, i'll send him a message .

And with the lacquer on the neck... don't know yet, the beeswax/linseed oil/ turpentine mix seem to be holding up pretty well on the fretboard, the back of the neck still have lacquer somewhat intact except for the sides, the front of the headstock doesn't have any, and the back is about 50%.

The same goes to the body, i've wondering... should i leave it stripped? should i go and try to re-create a vintage finish? nitro or poly? (altough it's not totally bare wood, i managed to keep the sealer/yellow stain coat on 90% of the body)

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Wed Sep 26, 2012 1:22 am
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idddent wrote:
And with the lacquer on the neck... don't know yet, the beeswax/linseed oil/ turpentine mix seem to be holding up pretty well on the fretboard, the back of the neck still have lacquer somewhat intact except for the sides, the front of the headstock doesn't have any, and the back is about 50%.

The same goes to the body, i've wondering... should i leave it stripped? should i go and try to re-create a vintage finish? nitro or poly? (altough it's not totally bare wood, i managed to keep the sealer/yellow stain coat on 90% of the body)

Hi again idddent: if you lacquer the body will you leave it clear or put a colour on there? Let's all vote now! My vote goes for a nitro sunburst...

Regarding the neck, I'm not great at the science of vintage specs so I don't know the date when Fender switched from nitro to poly for necks. However, there's smart people on this thread who absolutely will know for certain, so I bet the answer is on its way! :D

Either way, personally I would re-lacquer the neck, to protect it a bit from the further effects of moisture entering and leaving the wood, which is especially important on this fragile guitar. And first I'd want to take a tiny brush and just tickle some very thin, transparent acrylic artist's paint onto that filler you put in the crack to tone it in with the surrounding wood colour a bit. I bet Raw Sienna is the colour you need for that. You can't make the crack invisible, but you can make it much less obvious if you like.

Anyhow. Great thread: thanks!

Cheers - C

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:18 pm
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so... new pics

took another fender size cheap plastic nut as guide to the threads on the fender bone nut

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now for the pickups

tested them with my multimeter

Neck: 5.62k
Middle: 5.71k
Bridge: DEAD... k :(

really bad news. my options where,

a) leave the thing rest in peace and buy a replacement pickup
b) send it somewhere out of town (where i live aren't any luthier/musical specialist tech whatsoever)
c) re-wind it myself :? or
d) do a little trick i read somewhere which consist in very carefully un-wind the pick little by little, hoping that the broken section of the wire is at the top. get to the broken part and connect again, loosing some resistance from the pickup.

took my chances and went for d) as first option.
lucky me, the brake was not far from the top turns, nonetheless i had to un-wind like 100 plus turns . tested again: 5.10k. not excellent, but acceptable. ill have to wait and hear the actual results once the guitar is put together.

heres the circuit

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adding to the pickup issue i noticed that the pots wheren't original, so i replaced them with two 250K fender pots for tone and one 250k ALL parts for volume. i kept the capacitor, that is original alright.

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:26 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Hi again idddent: if you lacquer the body will you leave it clear or put a colour on there? Let's all vote now! My vote goes for a nitro sunburst...

Anyhow. Great thread: thanks!

Cheers - C


i like the idea lets vote! considering the paint i found under the red refinish i'd say that black or sunburst are the most obvious options but hey, lets hear it!


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 7:37 pm
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Curtis Novak and Lindy Fralin both offer pickup rewinding services if you wish to pursue this course of action.

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sat Sep 29, 2012 9:45 pm
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This thread is spellbinding, can't wait for the final product! :)


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 6:58 am
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Hopefully it's not too late but I suggest a bit of reshuffling pick up wise.
Take the middle pup which is the hottest @ 5.71k and place it as the bridge pup
Take the bridge pup @ now 5.10k and place it as the middle pup.
Leave the neck pup as is.

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 11:51 am
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53magnatone wrote:
Hopefully it's not too late but I suggest a bit of reshuffling pick up wise.
Take the middle pup which is the hottest @ 5.71k and place it as the bridge pup
Take the bridge pup @ now 5.10k and place it as the middle pup.
Leave the neck pup as is.


No neck pickup?

:shock:

Blasphemy!

:mrgreen:

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 1:29 pm
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as you can see this soldier is in VERY bad shape. no headstock decal, nitrocellulose peeling off, etc.
fender "F" tuners, big headstock, serial number, no skunk stripe, all from 68, serial number on neck plate 5 digit "L" series, according to fender site from 64.

anyways, even if it doesn't worth a penny i'm really happy with this project.
cheers


Geez to go from here to the progress that your at, is amazing!
I started reading this thread last night, and was hooked,
Your bringing life to it

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 2:22 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
Hopefully it's not too late but I suggest a bit of reshuffling pick up wise.
Take the middle pup which is the hottest @ 5.71k and place it as the bridge pup
Take the bridge pup @ now 5.10k and place it as the middle pup.
Leave the neck pup as is.


No neck pickup?

:shock:

Blasphemy!

:mrgreen:

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OK.... :? You lost me... :?:

I meant to reschuffle the pups so the hottest is the bridge, the middle being the weakest and the neck stays as is so that when BM are chosen or NM are chosen they all more or less balance out ( otherwise left as current ) if the bridge is the weakest, when combined with the middle it will sound anemic but then the NM would sound completely out of balance....

You also could change the Volume pot to a Push Pull pot which would also give you the Neck and Bridge combo as well as other combo's.... :mrgreen: ( assuming there is a Five way switch included. )

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Sep 30, 2012 4:51 pm
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You're doing a great job Idddent! I vote for Sunburst.


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 12:02 am
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53magnatone wrote:
Retroverbial wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
Hopefully it's not too late but I suggest a bit of reshuffling pick up wise.
Take the middle pup which is the hottest @ 5.71k and place it as the bridge pup
Take the bridge pup @ now 5.10k and place it as the middle pup.
Leave the neck pup as is.


No neck pickup?

:shock:

Blasphemy!

:mrgreen:

Arjay



OK.... :? You lost me... :?:

I meant to reschuffle the pups so the hottest is the bridge, the middle being the weakest and the neck stays as is so that when BM are chosen or NM are chosen they all more or less balance out ( otherwise left as current ) if the bridge is the weakest, when combined with the middle it will sound anemic but then the NM would sound completely out of balance....

You also could change the Volume pot to a Push Pull pot which would also give you the Neck and Bridge combo as well as other combo's.... :mrgreen: ( assuming there is a Five way switch included. )


He has a dead pickup in the bridge position.

It reads "open" on a ohmmeter.

Where would you have him "shuffle" it to?

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:04 am
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"He has a dead pickup in the bridge position.

It reads "open" on a ohmmeter."

The bridge pickup was dead, but he fixed it by unwinding 100 turns or so until he found the break in the wire so now he has 3 working pickups.

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I wouldn't swap them around just yet. Before the idea of calibrated balanced sets caught on in the '80s, 10% variation with the weakest randomly put in the bridge or middle and the strongest randomly put in the neck or middle was very common and you may be able to compensate simply by raising the bridge pup and lowering the other two. I'd wait until you get it playable and can actually evaluate how the pickups sound. There's still plenty of work to do -- no point in doing stuff that might not even be necessary (especially since it's never too late to swap them around if you eventually feel the need).


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Mon Oct 01, 2012 1:19 am
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My bad.

Sorry, Magnatone.

:oops:

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