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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 3:51 pm
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The flattened/squared ends of the pickup cavities started in the late '60s and continued throughout the '70s (before that the ends were round -- half circles). I haven't found a hard date for when CBS changed the pickup cavities but it's definitely not a pre-CBS body.

Alder and 4 neck screws put the body as pre-'72.


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I concur on all counts.

And the "F" tuners were introduced in mid-year of 1966. Those on the guitar are not original to it but are likely replacements for the metal-button Fender/Schallers that were installed at Fullerton when the instrument was built. The odd-ball hole in the headstock? Whothefuckknows. Stranger things have happened to "hobo-casters".

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 4:25 pm
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This guitar is very cool. I can,t wait to see it finished. It looks like its been to war.


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:03 pm
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Wow. This thread is so full of WIN! Definitely bookmarking this to see how it turns out. Best of luck, this looks like a project of epic proportions!


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 5:19 pm
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I don,t know if it will ever be worth very much but I would keep as much of the war marks as possible if you can make it play good and the play the crap out of it. :D


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:00 pm
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As you can see, these tuners use two screws in "diagonal" each, BUT there's only one extra hole between the third and fourth tuner hole ... I have no idea what this means. The more I found out about this guitar, the more questions i have! LOL


I believe that odd ball "extra" hole is a pin hole for routing purposes.

See my old thread on "Dowels" that I bumped up.

That headstock routing pin hole is visible on the front side of left handed necks (with no tuners to cover it) --- filled in with a dowel. No need to dowel up the hole on right handed necks.

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 6:04 am
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I would be careful about changing anything until you find out for sure what you actually have.
refinishing it may have been a bit premature, but on the other hand... :?

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:12 pm
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I would be careful about changing anything until you find out for sure what you actually have.
refinishing it may have been a bit premature, but on the other hand... :?

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Why is it some people relic new guitars, and some people find vintage natural relics, and refinish them? I'm not sure I would have refinished that one right away either. interesting thread anyway.

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:21 pm
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Arnold Layne wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
I would be careful about changing anything until you find out for sure what you actually have.
refinishing it may have been a bit premature, but on the other hand... :?

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Why is it some people relic new guitars, and some people find vintage natural relics, and refinish them? I'm not sure I would have refinished that one right away either. interesting thread anyway.


Well, this one wasn't an actual "vintage natural relic". It had already been refinish, it has cracks and rotten spots in the wood where the paint fell off. The main reason why i´m stripping all the paint and cleaning for refinish is more in favor of the health of the wood, not a merely aesthetic issue, I haven't yet decided what kind of finish this project is gonna end with, but im not gona do a fake relic, that is for shure. I may have left it as it was if the paint was original, but it wasn't. I'm triyng to figure out something that preserves the stability of the woods (yes, it is still somewhat stable), and is comfortable to play, but without hiding all the scars of use (and abuse) which in my opinion give the guitar all its particular caracter.

By the way, i don't understand either that whole concept of relic a new guitar, unless, for example, if an specific neck or body needs to be modified for enhancing resonence or playability for an specific player.

I hope i'm explainig myself clearly here... english is not my native language :mrgreen:


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 3:27 pm
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idddent wrote:
I hope i'm explainig myself clearly here... english is not my native language :mrgreen:


You're doing fine, idddent.

And you are correct -- absent some timely "intervention" the guitar would continue to disintegrate until there were nothing left save for some wood chips and rusty iron.

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:12 pm
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Give it a natural finish keep that narley look.


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 4:46 pm
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idddent wrote:
53magnatone wrote:
I'm curious as to those tuners, from the pics I don't see telltale signs of the previous tuners, that is indentation marks from the original tuners, which I believe are of a larger body, so these should not be an exact retrofit unless..... :idea:

If you haven't yet taken any of the tuners off, I would, just to see what is revealed. If there are no marks other than from the current set, then I would try to find out if it was possible that Fender would have installed a set of those on a customer's request back in the sixties....
I find that plausible if not perhaps likely but why not... :?: :idea:


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As you can see, these tuners use two screws in "diagonal" each, BUT there's only one extra hole between the third and fourth tuner hole... I have no idea what this means.
The more I found out about this guitar, the more questions i have! LOL


The two end screw holes are just what they appear to be. I recently changed out my vintage tuners to vintage locking tuners (perfect match btw). And my california model has the same configuration... those end screws hold the first and last tuners in place.


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Tue Aug 28, 2012 8:22 pm
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^^ We are not referring to the end screw holes but rather the one in the middle which does not correspond to the tuners diagonal screw pattern....The lone screw hole between the D and G tuner holes.

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Wed Aug 29, 2012 7:20 am
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I hope this all works out for you. I'll be looking in on this project as you progress along. You have your hands full man.

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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:08 pm
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update!

this is what I did during the week:

still cleaning evething: woods, steel, chrome, plastic.

the frets where all worn out so in order to make the guitar sound at least decent I hae to refret it, first step: remove old frets.

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By idddent at 2012-08-30

The fretboard was super dry, it was impossible to stop a few wood chips to separate from the piece.

I had to work the rosewood laminate in some spots... a "fix" of titebond glue will do the job

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By idddent at 2012-08-30

more cleaning ...

I made my own mix of natural beeswax, linseed oil, and turpentine to "feed" the wood (50 -50 oil-turpentine and 2% beeswax)

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By idddent at 2012-08-30

results:

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By idddent at 2012-08-30

I'll let it dry a couple of days before a second application, subsequent applications will have 5% beeswax or more.

cheers!


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Post subject: Re: '64 strat restoration - authentication
Posted: Thu Aug 30, 2012 6:11 pm
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Have you repaired that longtitudinal crack in the headstock yet?

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