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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:17 pm
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ok maybe not quality wood, but the same wood they make the American standard strats from.


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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:51 pm
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We've been through this before, nothing about a Squier Affinity or Bullet is comparable to an Am Std, including the body. You're lucky if either one of your Squiers is even close to playable, and even luckier if they are not made from plywood. They have never used "choice" wood for any of them.

Did you not check out the Squier Forum link that I gave you before? Pretending about Squiers is more accepted over there.

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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:12 pm
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you must suffer from vertigo with all the time you spend on your high horse.
if I had an american standard strat instead of a squier, would I get any more respect from you? as it stands I don't have an american standard strat, so in your eyes I'm not as good as you and I shouldn't be posting in this forum.
is it just me you have a problem with, or do you feel the same way about everyone who hasn't spent as much as you have on guitars and gear?

I am not trying to compare squier bullet or affinity strats to american standard strats.
but why would they make a squier guitar out of plywood and then tell everyone that they have been made from alder? you would find out eventually.
lying to potential customers isn't a very good idea when you are trying to sell something.

they may not make squier strats from the same carefully selected wood that they use to make the standard strats, but they still use alder for the body, maple for the neck and either maple or rosewood for the fingerboard.
the squiers may not play as well as an american standard strat, but then they aren't going to when you consider the difference in parts and price and how carefully they are made.
but that doesn't mean there is anything wrong with them.

I am willing to bet that even you had a replica strat or other replica guitar when you first started playing. we all have to start somewhere.
I haven't come across many beginner guitarists who go straight for an american standard fender strat, a gibson les paul or other expensive guitar. unless they or their parents have more money than sense. that is the very reason why companies started making replica guitars, so beginners could buy something that they could learn with without spending close to $1000, and something that at least looked like the real guitar that they would one day want to buy.


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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:02 pm
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Kiss Nation:

Your guitars are made out of alder. Some guitars made out of alder weight more than other guitars made out of alder. Fact of life. Deal with it and move on. You are starting to look really foolish with your obsession over this. :roll:

For the record I have 6 guitars and 1 bass:

Fender AVRI 52 Telecaster, $1500, ash
Fender MIM Standard Strat, $500, alder
Squier Affinity Tele, $85, alder
Epiphone Les Paul Jr, $99, mahogany
Washburn Lyon, $55, unknown wood
Ibanez GIO, free, basswood
Yamaha bass, free, unknown wood

They all sound great and I don't give a darn how much any of them weigh.

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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Mon Aug 13, 2012 2:17 am
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With the guitars being 15 years or so apart, it is very likely the density of the wood is different, the trees may have been grown in two different earthly locations, maybe the truss rod metals vary, or maybe psycholigicaly you want the other guitar back so you are finding all the differences and then exagerating them further to try and convince yourself. Unfortunately the truth about why they are so different in weight will never be known because you would have to strip both guitars down and compare each piece of each guitar to note where difference occurs. But trust me, as Bill and others on this forum have said, two very similar guitars can weigh in differently, and that is no myth. You may have had two guitars that sat on the vary opposite ends of the weight spectrum.

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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:15 pm
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Kiss nation, I would suggest going to the Custom Shop section at the top of the page and clicking on the video's with Mike Eldred..
Mike does a very thorough job of explaining difference between two Alder bodies versus Ash as well as a thorough explanation on wood density.

I'm in no possible way infering that the Squier series are handpicked wood to the same level as the FCS, but wood is wood and wether it is two baulks of select adler or common adler.
( common meaning it is just picked regardless of figuring or tonality/density In the Squier Affinity and Bullet series, the wood is free of knots that will split or checking and is just decent cost effective guitar body building material....)
Those respective two pieces will resonate differently from one another..

Furthermore Fender Does Not Build guitar bodies from Friggen plywood, this is an internet myth and a 3 to 5 piece laminated body from hardwood is not plywood...
If as you say you have been working with wood products for eight years, then you should know this....
I'm begining to believe that you just want to have a debate with someone, regardless wether your question was answered or not, which in this case it was.

Let's keep it from having to take the Flame Suits out of the closet .... Please.... :!: :roll:

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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:36 pm
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I do know that two pieces of the same wood can be different weights.
I have just never come across two pieces of the same wood with such a weight difference.

furthermore, I am not just asking questions in the hope that someone will want an argument.

I also have no idea what you mean by leaving the flame suits in the closet.


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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:45 pm
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kiss nation wrote:
I do know that two pieces of the same wood can be different weights.
I have just never come across two pieces of the same wood with such a weight difference.


There's something like 30 species of Alder.

They might not be the "same" wood.

Even if they are it's been pointed out that differences of a few pounds between bodies are not uncommon.


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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 1:47 pm
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thanks for pointing out those videos to me, they were very informative.
as much as I would love a custom made fender strat, I have no idea exactly how I would like it customized compared to the standard strat.


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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:02 pm
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[quote="53magnatone"...Fender Does Not Build guitar bodies from Friggen plywood,...[/quote]

Several pieces of wood sandwiched on top of each other in some Squiers (maybe the Bullet, can't remember the specific model). Not quite like the stuff that you buy for construction. Didn't mean to use the term "plywood" so loosely, but that is what it is, several "plies" of wood, not side by side, but one on top of another. :)

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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 2:45 pm
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I thought I would add a few pics to clarify the discussion.... :twisted:

This below is a Squier Precision Bass body I bought it over a year ago for ( $10 ) at GC. It was at the time a playable precision bass, albeit the previous owner had painted it dayglo orange.. :shock:

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As can be seen from the 1st pic, the main body is made up of 4 pieces glued together lengthwise.
The hips are made from two pieces dado jointed....OK...

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The horns are also made from two pieces..

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The top and back are each one piece laminate. This makes it easier to fill in the pores and spray a finish. most importantly, the joint lines are covered and once cured the paint will not reveal joint lines when angled to the light..Whenever two pieces of wood are glued together, sooner or later the joint will be faintly visible since in all likelihood both pieces are not from the same tree let alone probably not even the same type of alder...

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This is not such a good pic but you can see the woods growth lines forming a circular pattern in the center, this piece came from the center area of a log

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This body is made up of say 7 to 9 pieces of wood but it really is not a true Laminate, most definitely not plywood.. The distinction is that plywood uses inferior wood cut in multiple 1/8th inch sheets, spread with glue than pressed together with the sheets running perpendicular to each other as the grain runs...
in this Bass or any Squier multiple wood bodies, all the grain runs in the same direction from neck to tail, additionally, you could shear the wood pieces apart but not at the glue joint as the joints are actually more resistant to shearing forces than the surrounding wood.
The grain has to run in one direction for the resonance factor.
Plywood is extremely weak when subjected to shearing forces and becaus eof the criss cross pattern of grain orientation, makes for a very poor resonance/vibration conductor.

This other body is also a Squier in Candy Apple Red, it is light and resonates quite well when tapped. This is the body for my Stratopartster III build.

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Why do I use these...Only because they are inexpensive to acquire, are solid bodies and necks , with reworking make absolutely great instruments which you don't have to worry too much about at a gig......
I would not take my CS 56 NOS to a club gig, to a private jam with friends fine but not somewhere that I have to watch it constantly...

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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:18 pm
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kiss nation wrote:
thanks for pointing out those videos to me, they were very informative.
as much as I would love a custom made fender strat, I have no idea exactly how I would like it customized compared to the standard strat.


I just used the Fender source for the sake of argument, a Custom Shop Strat or other guitar really doesn't belong in this particular discussion...

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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:21 pm
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kiss nation wrote:
I also have no idea what you mean by leaving the flame suits in the closet.


By that I mean that the replies will be fiery and a flame suit will keep you from getting scorched.
It's just an internet term...Urban Dictionary helps here.... :wink:

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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:27 pm
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lol I have never heard that term before.


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Post subject: Re: new affinity strat specs.
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 3:52 pm
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Cool pics 53!

Anyone interested in learning about the various plywood bodies used on some Squiers, check out the "Squier-Talk.com" forum. This thread (below) has a couple of pictures of Squiers with plywood bodies, and some aftermarket plywood bodies also.

http://www.squier-talk.com/forum/squier-stratocasters/3489-plywood-squier-body.html

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