It is currently Tue Mar 17, 2020 7:38 am

All times are UTC - 7 hours



Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 20 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Go to page 1, 2  Next
Author Message
Post subject: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:36 pm
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:21 am
Posts: 9
Hello
i have two questions about fender factory setup:

1. tremolo setup, it says on fender.com:
"Fender spec is a 1/8" (3.2 mm) gap at rear of bridge"
how exactly is that measured? photos?

2. should the claw screws be tightened to give more tension on the bass side and less on the treble side? or they should be parallel?

thanks a lot
MoJoE


Top
Profile
Fender Play Winter Sale 2020
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 5:58 pm
Offline
Aspiring Musician
Aspiring Musician

Joined: Thu Aug 02, 2012 6:15 am
Posts: 522
1. Get a ruler - just measure from the body top to the bridge bottom at the very rear of the bridge.

2. No


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:03 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 9640
Location: Indiana
Notice that the rear of the bridge plate (the end away from the neck) is up off of the guitar body. Measure the gap between the bridge plate and the guitar body.

Image

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 7:28 pm
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:47 am
Posts: 15336
Location: In a galaxy far far away
Set for your own preference, not some measurement.
On the claw, the treble side needs to be further back than the bass side. The treble strings have more tension in them than the bass strings so need the springs on their side to exert more force to balance the trems action.

_________________
No no and no


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sat Aug 11, 2012 8:41 pm
Offline
Roadie
Roadie

Joined: Fri Jul 11, 2008 11:13 am
Posts: 248
I favor ditching the measurement, too. Instead of measuring, just adjust the height of the plate so that if you pull up on the trem bar all the way, the pitch is changed one half step. Not only does it put it at a reasonable height, it's sort of handy, as a part of your technique, to be able to pull up all the way and know you're changing one half step.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 1:31 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:21 am
Posts: 9
i just measured, the bridge plate thickness is 1/8".
the bottom end of the plate is round not square and if i measure from the straight area it's way to much


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 2:11 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:21 am
Posts: 9
file:///E:/DCIM/Camera/2012-08-12%2011.38.14.jpg
file:///E:/DCIM/Camera/2012-08-12%2011.38.51.jpg


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 3:46 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14051
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
MoJoE wrote:
file:///E:/DCIM/Camera/2012-08-12%2011.38.14.jpg
file:///E:/DCIM/Camera/2012-08-12%2011.38.51.jpg



This does'nt work


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:11 am
Offline
Hobbyist
Hobbyist

Joined: Tue Jul 03, 2012 8:21 am
Posts: 9
i'm trying to upload these photos, don't know how, they're on my computer


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:17 am
Offline
Professional Musician
Professional Musician
User avatar

Joined: Sun Feb 15, 2009 3:52 pm
Posts: 2005
MoJoE wrote:
i'm trying to upload these photos, don't know how, they're on my computer


Look here for posting pics:
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=52777

Keep in mind that all setup procedures are "generalized" in the sense that they are a first-step and up to personal preference.

Some folks like the tremlo flat against the body. The thinking here is it increases sustain.

Go with your own sense of what is correct.

_________________
-T

"You can't spend what you ain't got, you can't lose what you ain't never had" ~ McKinley Morganfield


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 7:59 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:37 pm
Posts: 8708
Location: Natural Bridge, Virginia
MoJoE wrote:
i just measured, the bridge plate thickness is 1/8".
the bottom end of the plate is round not square and if i measure from the straight area it's way to much


You are making this way too complicated. See the picture at the top of page 12:

http://support.fender.com/manuals/instr ... sses_(2003)_manual.pdf

As far as claw adjustment goes, some people adjust it straight across, others angle it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-F7iSIopA

_________________
Bill

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:29 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Fri Feb 05, 2010 4:31 am
Posts: 14051
Location: Province de Québec, Canada
Bluesky636 that 's a very good video how to tune Strat tremolo. I think I will try on my guitar.

It's not easy to understand how the tremolo one piece may react differently on one side just because of spring adjusted differently.

I am inclined to believe that all the tremolo follows in full the amount of force exerted by the spring. Never mind that these springs are at different voltages

But the result is there, we can hear on this video


Translation with Google , I hope this is good


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 8:48 am
Offline
Rock Star
Rock Star

Joined: Mon Apr 05, 2010 2:37 pm
Posts: 8708
Location: Natural Bridge, Virginia
stratele52 wrote:
Bluesky636 that 's a very good video how to tune Strat tremolo. I think I will try on my guitar.

It's not easy to understand how the tremolo one piece may react differently on one side just because of spring adjusted differently.

I am inclined to believe that all the tremolo follows in full the amount of force exerted by the spring. Never mind that these springs are at different voltages

But the result is there, we can hear on this video


Translation with Google , I hope this is good


"Tension" not "voltages". :D

_________________
Bill

Image


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 9:04 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Tue Jun 29, 2010 1:20 pm
Posts: 9640
Location: Indiana
That is one of those things that doesn't translate well. Actually, tension is used referring to voltage quite often, such as "high-tension" or "HT". Note that many amps with a fuse in the high-voltage sections of the amp are labeled "HT". Linemen often refer to "high-tension wires" indicating the wires that carry what we call high voltage. But yes, in the case of springs, the correct term is tension......except when the death-cap shorts, then you could have voltage on the springs as well as tension. :shock:

stratele52 wrote:
...I am inclined to believe that all the tremolo follows in full the amount of force exerted by the spring....


True. It is really pointless to angle the claw, because as you stated, the force from the springs is spread evenly on the bridge screws anyway. Simple physics. :wink:

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.


Top
Profile
Post subject: Re: tremolo angle and springs
Posted: Sun Aug 12, 2012 10:21 am
Offline
Rock Icon
Rock Icon
User avatar

Joined: Mon Jun 30, 2008 10:47 am
Posts: 15336
Location: In a galaxy far far away
Perhaps thats why you can't get em to work properly?

Of course the strings exert different amounts of tension. Just look on the back of a pack of Diaddario strings. It tells you the differing tensions at concert pitch. That is why you angle the claw. The pivot posts have nothing to do with it. They certainly don't affect a force that is operating in the opposite direction to which the pivot posts work.
That is simple physics. :roll:
A word of advice to anyone reading this. Please don't take Strat tremolo setup advice from the people who freely admit they can't get the things to stay in tune.

_________________
No no and no


Top
Profile
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 20 posts ]  Go to page 1, 2  Next
Go to page 1, 2  Next

All times are UTC - 7 hours

Fender Play Winter Sale 2020

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum

Search for:
Jump to: