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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:13 pm
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I agree. Also, I feel too many people are concerned with sounding/playing like somebody instead of trying to find an individual tone/style. How can music ever evolve if everyone sounds/plays like someone eles?

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Now a lot of signature guitars (especially the Stratocasters) exist because there IS a strong following of people trying to sound like their idols. I'm not one of them. I have played a Eric Clapton Strat for the last four years and I purchased it not because I'm a Clapton fan (I am, but that is besides the point) but because I liked the mid-boost feature and the TBX control, never mind the neck being probably one of the most comfortable I have had the pleasure of playing. A lot of these guitars come with upgrades not featured standard on regular guitars: the contoured neck heel and roller nut on the Jeff Beck is a great upgrade and improves tuning stability, the scalloped fretboard and pickups on the YM Strat has its uses and applications within a certain context, the EJ Strat is fantastic for an amalgomation of modern and vintage features ( a lot of little upgrades on that particular guitar actually harken back to the "golden age" of Fender in the 50s), the Mayer has the upgraded pickups and neck shape... the list goes on.

Point is, some of these sig guitars are kinda pointless (finish and strictly cosmetic upgrades I don't think warrent a sig model) but a lot of these guitars DO have their reasoning behind them. I don't use the EC Strat to SOUND like Clapton, I use it as a jumping off point for my own sound...

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Now a lot of signature guitars (especially the Stratocasters) exist because there IS a strong following of people trying to sound like their idols. I'm not one of them. I have played a Eric Clapton Strat for the last four years and I purchased it not because I'm a Clapton fan (I am, but that is besides the point) but because I liked the mid-boost feature and the TBX control, never mind the neck being probably one of the most comfortable I have had the pleasure of playing. A lot of these guitars come with upgrades not featured standard on regular guitars: the contoured neck heel and roller nut on the Jeff Beck is a great upgrade and improves tuning stability, the scalloped fretboard and pickups on the YM Strat has its uses and applications within a certain context, the EJ Strat is fantastic for an amalgomation of modern and vintage features ( a lot of little upgrades on that particular guitar actually harken back to the "golden age" of Fender in the 50s), the Mayer has the upgraded pickups and neck shape... the list goes on.

Point is, some of these sig guitars are kinda pointless (finish and strictly cosmetic upgrades I don't think warrent a sig model) but a lot of these guitars DO have their reasoning behind them. I don't use the EC Strat to SOUND like Clapton, I use it as a jumping off point for my own sound...


Well spoken! My thoughts exactly!


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Hello Jeffo46,

I never look at the name on a signature guitar,
but I always check out the specs. :wink:

Make me a sherwood green with ebony fretboard,
locking tuners, custom shop '54s and a hand tooled
El Dorado strap put it in a western tooled G&G case. :D

Call it what you want, put anybodys sig on it
I'll buy it. 8)

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I hate signature models.

The only time I would ever even think of one as a viable guitar, would be if they offered something that was very significantly different than something you can get from a standard line. Even then, I still think they are dumb.

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No - I wish Fender would come out with another Hendrix strat... I guess that would be commemorative and not signature... I suppose they could do a sig as well.


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Sure do, with most of them not deserving of one (IMO, of course.)


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Really the graat thing about Strats is the ability to upgrade or change the specs i.e. Claptons Blackie. So why look for someone else's signature. Upgrade your own and take a Sharpie and sign the headstock. Hey I have a StephenR66 signature strat I'll sell ya.


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Are there too many? sure, but they sell!!! How many girls are runnin out to buy an avrail tele?? I mean they are cool lookin, i dont own one, and wont ever own one becuase i am me, and dont want to be any one else!! I see the point that they simplymake money and if they bring one more person in to the brother hood of fender isnt it worth it?


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flamekaster wrote:
Are there too many? sure, but they sell!!! How many girls are runnin out to buy an avrail tele?? I mean they are cool lookin, i dont own one, and wont ever own one becuase i am me, and dont want to be any one else!! I see the point that they simplymake money and if they bring one more person in to the brother hood of fender isnt it worth it?


Oh I agree 100% but sometimes it does seem a little weird to keep hearing people askinfg fender to produce so and so 'ssignature strat when that persons strat meybe one already avalible in a store somewhere just not with their signature on it... especially if all that person did was change pick guards or pickups.


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Nobody who works outside of Fender marketing can make an intelligent comment on this question.

These guitars exist because they sell, and not for the reasons everybody instantly assumes ("I don't wanna be somebody else, I wanna be ME!!"). I know dozens of players who own sig models, and not ONE of them bought the guitar because they thought it would get them closer to becoming their hero. For example, most guys who own an Eric Johnson don't want to sound like EJ and couldn't if they tried: they just like it because of the way it feels and plays, and the collection of features makes it a great guitar.

So, no, there aren't too many... when one stops selling, Fender stops making it, so there are just the right number at any given time.


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Yeah I guess it's like asking are there too many pretty women? It depends on what you want.


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Gravity Jim wrote:
Nobody who works outside of Fender marketing can make an intelligent comment on this question.

These guitars exist because they sell, and not for the reasons everybody instantly assumes ("I don't wanna be somebody else, I wanna be ME!!"). I know dozens of players who own sig models, and not ONE of them bought the guitar because they thought it would get them closer to becoming their hero. For example, most guys who own an Eric Johnson don't want to sound like EJ and couldn't if they tried: they just like it because of the way it feels and plays, and the collection of features makes it a great guitar.

So, no, there aren't too many... when one stops selling, Fender stops making it, so there are just the right number at any given time.


Once again i am sorry for my lack of understanding, please set me straight on everything guitar related becuase i apperantly have no clue about anything!! I guess the last 17 years of my guitar playing have been a waste of time. I feel so cheated i did meet you sooner so you could teach me and the rest of the world the way!!!


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flamekaster wrote:
Gravity Jim wrote:
Nobody who works outside of Fender marketing can make an intelligent comment on this question.

These guitars exist because they sell, and not for the reasons everybody instantly assumes ("I don't wanna be somebody else, I wanna be ME!!"). I know dozens of players who own sig models, and not ONE of them bought the guitar because they thought it would get them closer to becoming their hero. For example, most guys who own an Eric Johnson don't want to sound like EJ and couldn't if they tried: they just like it because of the way it feels and plays, and the collection of features makes it a great guitar.

So, no, there aren't too many... when one stops selling, Fender stops making it, so there are just the right number at any given time.


Once again i am sorry for my lack of understanding, please set me straight on everything guitar related becuase i apperantly have no clue about anything!! I guess the last 17 years of my guitar playing have been a waste of time. I feel so cheated i did meet you sooner so you could teach me and the rest of the world the way!!!


Sorry, dude, but that wasn't directed at you personally: I meant no offense. But knowing about guitars doesn't mean you know anything about marketing, which is what these signature models are, and I've been working in that field for almost 30 years now.

The idea that there are too many sig models is just an idea without much merit.


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Gravity Jim wrote:
flamekaster wrote:
Gravity Jim wrote:
Nobody who works outside of Fender marketing can make an intelligent comment on this question.

These guitars exist because they sell, and not for the reasons everybody instantly assumes ("I don't wanna be somebody else, I wanna be ME!!"). I know dozens of players who own sig models, and not ONE of them bought the guitar because they thought it would get them closer to becoming their hero. For example, most guys who own an Eric Johnson don't want to sound like EJ and couldn't if they tried: they just like it because of the way it feels and plays, and the collection of features makes it a great guitar.

So, no, there aren't too many... when one stops selling, Fender stops making it, so there are just the right number at any given time.


Once again i am sorry for my lack of understanding, please set me straight on everything guitar related becuase i apperantly have no clue about anything!! I guess the last 17 years of my guitar playing have been a waste of time. I feel so cheated i did meet you sooner so you could teach me and the rest of the world the way!!!


Sorry, dude, but that wasn't directed at you personally: I meant no offense. But knowing about guitars doesn't mean you know anything about marketing, which is what these signature models are, and I've been working in that field for almost 30 years now.

The idea that there are too many sig models is just an idea without much merit.


Thank you for the apology!!! And i do understand marketing, i do understand the need for a clapton or an srv or a avrail lavine model, but that doesnt mean that i want one, and feel that some players dont merrit and sig model based on there lack of playing ability. Does mean that i cant see the merrit in sellin one


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