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Posted: Tue Apr 08, 2008 3:52 pm
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Like I found a post once where some dude was selling replacement volume and tone knobs that were designed to improve the sound of your electric guitar... I think he was asking about $200 per knob... they looked like they were milled out of wood. Like PT Barnum once said... "


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Gravity Jim wrote:
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really, whether you can hear the difference in tone or not, the physics of how a guitar produces sound makes it at least seem probable that there is a difference.


Not when you're talking about how an ELECTRIC guitar produces sound.

I'm telling you, electric guitar tone is like a religion...



SO is Eric johnson crazy for thinkinkg the direction in which he plugs his cables in, or where he places his pedals on stage crazy? if all of these things make no differece then why are we all playing different guitars, we should just buy some 2x4's and put the pick up of choice in it and not worry about all this other stuff, like bridges and wood and all of this other non sense should we? If i new that 17 years ago when i started playin i would of bought one guitar and saved my money for amps (i am assuming that they make a difference in tone) and pickups. Please help me understand jim, becuase i clearly dont


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EJ is crazy about his tone. He once said he could tell the difference between batteries.


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flamekaster wrote:
Gravity Jim wrote:
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really, whether you can hear the difference in tone or not, the physics of how a guitar produces sound makes it at least seem probable that there is a difference.


Not when you're talking about how an ELECTRIC guitar produces sound.

I'm telling you, electric guitar tone is like a religion...



SO is Eric johnson crazy for thinkinkg the direction in which he plugs his cables in, or where he places his pedals on stage crazy? if all of these things make no differece then why are we all playing different guitars, we should just buy some 2x4's and put the pick up of choice in it and not worry about all this other stuff, like bridges and wood and all of this other non sense should we? If i new that 17 years ago when i started playin i would of bought one guitar and saved my money for amps (i am assuming that they make a difference in tone) and pickups. Please help me understand jim, becuase i clearly dont


Oh, for crying out loud. Lighten up, Francis.

Yes, Eric Johnson is crazy when he says those things about cable direction. No, that doesn't mean that different guitars don't sound different, it just means that making a change in the guitar that has absolutely no effect on the vibrating string won't change the sound of the guitar (you should pay attention to how the elements of an argument relate to one another, if at all).

Okay, you've been playing for 17 years. So what? I've been playing for over 40... does that mean I know better than you? I know guys who have played longer than me, and they still believe a bunch of dumb "tone" myths... does that mean they're right?

No, it doesn't. Stop taking this stuff personally, dude... it's just a discussion forum, okay?


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Gravity Jim wrote:
flamekaster wrote:
Gravity Jim wrote:
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really, whether you can hear the difference in tone or not, the physics of how a guitar produces sound makes it at least seem probable that there is a difference.


Not when you're talking about how an ELECTRIC guitar produces sound.

I'm telling you, electric guitar tone is like a religion...



SO is Eric johnson crazy for thinkinkg the direction in which he plugs his cables in, or where he places his pedals on stage crazy? if all of these things make no differece then why are we all playing different guitars, we should just buy some 2x4's and put the pick up of choice in it and not worry about all this other stuff, like bridges and wood and all of this other non sense should we? If i new that 17 years ago when i started playin i would of bought one guitar and saved my money for amps (i am assuming that they make a difference in tone) and pickups. Please help me understand jim, becuase i clearly dont


Oh, for crying out loud. Lighten up, Francis.

Yes, Eric Johnson is crazy when he says those things about cable direction. No, that doesn't mean that different guitars don't sound different, it just means that making a change in the guitar that has absolutely no effect on the vibrating string won't change the sound of the guitar (you should pay attention to how the elements of an argument relate to one another, if at all).

Okay, you've been playing for 17 years. So what? I've been playing for over 40... does that mean I know better than you? I know guys who have played longer than me, and they still believe a bunch of dumb "tone" myths... does that mean they're right?

No, it doesn't. Stop taking this stuff personally, dude... it's just a discussion forum, okay?


But the point is to Eric Johnson it makes a difference, and there are things to me that make a difference to me, but may not to you, and it is ok that some people hear a difference in things and you dont, i hear a differecne in woods in electric guitars, you dont that is fine that is your opnion not mine, i just dont like being or seeing someone else belittled becuase they dont agree with you, i dont agree with have of the stuff on here, but to each there own. discuss, do not argue


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There is a definitive way to determine if and what changes tone in a guitar - record the sounds with a highly quality digital sampler and compare the waveforms (Fourier Analysis). The problem is getting two analogous sounds to remove all other variables (pitch, volume, attack, etc.). Acoustics is a science dealing with complexities that make it hard to be extremely determinant - total objectiveness here is difficult to attain.

I've read two books on Musical Acoustics (for physics/engineering) and both basically said the same thing in the end: No matter how many variables one tries to take into account, there are so many in any given environment so as to make exact determinations impossible. For instance, designing auditoriums has improved over time but there are still plenty of variables which cannot be fully mixed into the design process. The engineers can control a good portion of the direction/amplification of the sound - but that all goes to naught the minute you have players on stage and a full audience with all of the variables being individual people and equipment/instruments.

And there's the thing that many ignore: the environment in which you play has as much (or more) influence on your sound as the equipment used to create the sound (instrument, mic, amplifiers). Even a great rig will sound different under different conditions - this includes the space, what's in the space, materials of the space, the weather (e.g.: humidity), and probably a myriad other factors.

If Eric Johnson 'believes' that the direction of the cable makes his sound better, okay... As long as he isn't telling other people to do it or selling special EJ1Way cables for exhuberant prices. ;)

My philosophy here is: Find the equipment that produces the sound you want (and keep improving it) and don't sweat the details (because they are too numerous to be worthwhile).


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