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Post subject: Re: NGD (almost)--Gibson content
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 4:46 pm
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That Baked Maple Fretboard is exactly why I bought a used one from '08. I played one with the baked maple and while doing so, I couldn't quite put my finger on what was not quite right tone wise...then the salesman asked how I liked the baked maple fingerboard and then it hit me...that is what I didn't like about it. The tone was very bright, too bright for Les Paul IMHO. FWIW T2



T2. It is amazing how a fretboard makes noticable sound/tone differences.
Still the string goes from metal fret to metal saddle, Knowingly the body neck
and fretboard wood density make obvious important tones and sustain ability,
but the fretboard? It's so thin. My guitars are so different that I'll never
experience fretboard differences.

BTW, T2, is it possible there were other factors as well as the fretboard
to make the guitar "brighter"? Just wondering. Toppscore


Of course the wood density of each of the bodies might be different, but that makes more difference in weight. So all things being equal the only real difference in the two guitars was the rosewood vs baked maple fretboard. Besides this being one of the lower priced Gibsons, they sure haven't made any changes to the model beyond the fretboard.

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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 3:27 am
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I went to GC tonight and played a Worn Brown Sudio LP. I was very pleasantly surprised. It was bell-like with a thunderous low end. It was set up perfecly. I think I really want one. I've been looking at the LP Tribute series but I've heard some nasty things about the finish chipping off. I haven't been a big fan of what Gibson calls "worn" (I had a Faded SG worn brown), but I really liked this guitar and could see adding to my arsenal. There is one on CL asking $700. I'm sure I could get him down to $650. $200 saved compared to the regular Tribute. Half of what you'd pay for a Studio Deluxe. And for a new Standard or Historic? Fugedaboutit.



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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 6:40 am
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I went to GC tonight and played a Worn Brown Sudio LP. I was very pleasantly surprised. It was bell-like with a thunderous low end. It was set up perfecly. I think I really want one. I've been looking at the LP Tribute series but I've heard some nasty things about the finish chipping off. I haven't been a big fan of what Gibson calls "worn" (I had a Faded SG worn brown), but I really liked this guitar and could see adding to my arsenal. There is one on CL asking $700. I'm sure I could get him down to $650. $200 saved compared to the regular Tribute. Half of what you'd pay for a Studio Deluxe. And for a new Standard or Historic? Fugedaboutit.


Not to throw a monkey wrench into your deliberations, but if you like the LP Tribute series but are concerned about the "worn" finish (I don't like it either), take a look at the newer versions, the Les Paul Studio '50s Tribute Humbucker, the Les Paul Studio '70s Tribute and the Les Paul Studio '60s Tribute Darkback. They each have the satin nitrocellulose finish as opposed to the worn finish and look pretty good.....can't comment about durability.


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Posted: Wed Aug 01, 2012 10:02 pm
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Debating about pulling the trigger and buy new guitar .... debating whether I dare go Gibson after the fun and games I had three years ago, when I bought three over a six period and returned everyone of 'em because of quality issues.

Has quality improved of late? I will be visiting the Gibson in Memphis in two weeks, perhaps I'll find one there .... as long as they are asking no more than GC prices.

P.S. Anyone else toured Gibson @ Memphis ...is it worth the $$ and 40 minutes for the tour?


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Posted: Thu Aug 02, 2012 2:23 am
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Debating about pulling the trigger and buy new guitar .... debating whether I dare go Gibson after the fun and games I had three years ago, when I bought three over a six period and returned everyone of 'em because of quality issues.

Has quality improved of late? I will be visiting the Gibson in Memphis in two weeks, perhaps I'll find one there .... as long as they are asking no more than GC prices.

P.S. Anyone else toured Gibson @ Memphis ...is it worth the $$ and 40 minutes for the tour?

Really. Gibson should pay you to labor through their confines.
And, hand you a goldtop on the way out :lol:

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That's a fine looking instrument and I wouldn't change a thing about it. I have an'02 LP Elegant Quiltop which was purchased as a gift for me, because I thought it was gorgeous and told my wife so. Next evening I found it sitting in the entry foyer waiting for me to get home from the office. Hardly played though. Burstbuckers are killer, and yes, definitely have a place in one's tone pallete. However I don't find LP's or Tele's as comfortable to play as Stratocasters so I pretty much stick with the latter. I owned a '93 Tele-Plus which was a killer guitar but I swapped it out for a Clapton. Still kicking myself for doing that just for the collectability of the Tele-Plus, but the Clapton felt better on me. I've owned two PRS's which are Strat and LP like, fantastic and beautifully crafted instruments they were, but there was something intangible that made a difference. 54 years with Strats is a long row to hoe.

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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 6:41 pm
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That's a fine looking instrument and I wouldn't change a thing about it. I have an'02 LP Elegant Quiltop which was purchased as a gift for me, because I thought it was gorgeous and told my wife so. Next evening I found it sitting in the entry foyer waiting for me to get home from the office. Hardly played though. Burstbuckers are killer, and yes, definitely have a place in one's tone pallete. However I don't find LP's or Tele's as comfortable to play as Stratocasters so I pretty much stick with the latter. I owned a '93 Tele-Plus which was a killer guitar but I swapped it out for a Clapton. Still kicking myself for doing that just for the collectability of the Tele-Plus, but the Clapton felt better on me. I've owned two PRS's which are Strat and LP like, fantastic and beautifully crafted instruments they were, but there was something intangible that made a difference. 54 years with Strats is a long row to hoe.



What is it about the 1990s Fender Plus series of guitars that you like, besides collectability?
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Posted: Sat Aug 04, 2012 7:39 pm
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That's a fine looking instrument and I wouldn't change a thing about it. I have an'02 LP Elegant Quiltop which was purchased as a gift for me, because I thought it was gorgeous and told my wife so. Next evening I found it sitting in the entry foyer waiting for me to get home from the office. Hardly played though. Burstbuckers are killer, and yes, definitely have a place in one's tone pallete. However I don't find LP's or Tele's as comfortable to play as Stratocasters so I pretty much stick with the latter. I owned a '93 Tele-Plus which was a killer guitar but I swapped it out for a Clapton. Still kicking myself for doing that just for the collectability of the Tele-Plus, but the Clapton felt better on me. I've owned two PRS's which are Strat and LP like, fantastic and beautifully crafted instruments they were, but there was something intangible that made a difference. 54 years with Strats is a long row to hoe.



ZZDOC...Thanks, it is a fine instrument, and I too have played Strats a very long time and find it difficult to change between the two, but I love the tone of a good Les Paul with Humbuckers for that change of pace. I actually find it easier to go to my ES335 (it has a similar neck shape to my strat) but it weighs a bit more than this LP. I too had a PRS, and liked the feel and it had a beautiful 10 top on it, but I never fell in love with the tone...it always seemed to be missing a certain something IMHO. I do like the Clapton and mine is my "Desert Island" guitar, just for the neck shape and tone...yeah I hear you about Strats...they are hard to stray to far from.

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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 2:56 am
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I spent nearly 30 years being a Fender only guy but had an opportunity to get a Les Paul Standard a couple of years ago for a steal and thought why not? Actually found I liked the sound and feel but just couldn't bond with it so did a stellar trade for a new Am Dlx Strat.
Move on a year and I fancy an LP again so go for a Worn Cherry Studio. Fatter neck and certainly less well finished (same ridge on the neck, but easily rubbed away) but the tone from the Burstbucker Pros and chambered body is simply amazing and the bang for buck ratio (I got it for little more than MiM Strat money here in Europe) makes it an absolute keeper. I put some lemon oil on the baked maple 'board and it feels just as good as the rosewood on my Strats.

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What is it about the 1990s Fender Plus series of guitars that you like, besides collectability?
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This guitar regained some popularity through the band 'Radiohead'. I bought mine used off the wall for $300. It had a gorgeous natural finish, solid maple neck, and one small cigarette burn on the back. Other than than that, it was flawless. This guitar was fitted with a blue Lace Sensor at the neck, and Red Duallys at the bridge. It had a mini-switch in the circuit in addition to the 3-way so you could coil-tap the Dually's. The neck on this particular Tele was very comfortable to my hand. Most arenot. This was not a classic 'country' Tele but rather a serious rock guitar which would have held its own through an amp with a lot of headroom. Fender discontinued the used of those pickups in the successor Tele-Plus and then discontinued the guitar altogether. I'm more comfortable with a Strat body than with a Tele or an LP. When I had the chance to purchase a used black Artist Series Clapton in equally find condition I swapped it out. Years later the interest in that Tele was sparked by the band. I have never seen one in any used gear section of any guitar store I've been in since I purchased that one over 15 years ago, and rarely, a natural finished body with a maple neck on eBay.

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Posted: Sun Aug 05, 2012 4:04 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
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What is it about the 1990s Fender Plus series of guitars that you like, besides collectability?
Toppscore 8)

This guitar regained some popularity through the band 'Radiohead'. I bought mine used off the wall for $300. It had a gorgeous natural finish, solid maple neck, and one small cigarette burn on the back. Other than than that, it was flawless. This guitar was fitted with a blue Lace Sensor at the neck, and Red Duallys at the bridge. It had a mini-switch in the circuit in addition to the 3-way so you could coil-tap the Dually's. The neck on this particular Tele was very comfortable to my hand. Most arenot. This was not a classic 'country' Tele but rather a serious rock guitar which would have held its own through an amp with a lot of headroom. Fender discontinued the used of those pickups in the successor Tele-Plus and then discontinued the guitar altogether. I'm more comfortable with a Strat body than with a Tele or an LP. When I had the chance to purchase a used black Artist Series Clapton in equally find condition I swapped it out. Years later the interest in that Tele was sparked by the band. I have never seen one in any used gear section of any guitar store I've been in since I purchased that one over 15 years ago, and rarely, a natural finished body with a maple neck on eBay.



Thanks. Your "Telecaster" seems like a PLUS ULTRA within the "Strat" series of Pluses.
Am I right? Toppscore :)

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What is it about the 1990s Fender Plus series of guitars that you like, besides collectability?
Toppscore 8)

This guitar regained some popularity through the band 'Radiohead'. I bought mine used off the wall for $300. It had a gorgeous natural finish, solid maple neck, and one small cigarette burn on the back. Other than than that, it was flawless. This guitar was fitted with a blue Lace Sensor at the neck, and Red Duallys at the bridge. It had a mini-switch in the circuit in addition to the 3-way so you could coil-tap the Dually's. The neck on this particular Tele was very comfortable to my hand. Most arenot. This was not a classic 'country' Tele but rather a serious rock guitar which would have held its own through an amp with a lot of headroom. Fender discontinued the used of those pickups in the successor Tele-Plus and then discontinued the guitar altogether. I'm more comfortable with a Strat body than with a Tele or an LP. When I had the chance to purchase a used black Artist Series Clapton in equally find condition I swapped it out. Years later the interest in that Tele was sparked by the band. I have never seen one in any used gear section of any guitar store I've been in since I purchased that one over 15 years ago, and rarely, a natural finished body with a maple neck on eBay.



Thanks. Your "Telecaster" seems like a PLUS ULTRA within the "Strat" series of Pluses.
Am I right? Toppscore :)


To the best of my knowledge, the guitar I've described was the first Tele to be wired as such. I don't recall the name Ultra being used for the Telecasters and, unlike the Stratocaster Plus series, whose pickup configurations usinig Lace Sensors evolved into different combinations, including the one called the Ultra, there was only one edition[the first] of the Tele-Plus which had Laces. The one I described, afterwhich Fender started using their own pickups. I also recall that their 35th Anniversary Stratocaster was a Strat Plus/Clapton hybrid as far as the electronics were concerned. It was a beautiful instrument.

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[quote="ZZDoc] This guitar regained some popularity through the band 'Radiohead'. I bought mine used off the wall for $300. It had a gorgeous natural finish, solid maple neck, and one small cigarette burn on the back. Other than than that, it was flawless. This guitar was fitted with a blue Lace Sensor at the neck, and Red Duallys at the bridge. It had a mini-switch in the circuit in addition to the 3-way so you could coil-tap the Dually's. The neck on this particular Tele was very comfortable to my hand. Most arenot. This was not a classic 'country' Tele but rather a serious rock guitar which would have held its own through an amp with a lot of headroom. Fender discontinued the used of those pickups in the successor Tele-Plus and then discontinued the guitar altogether. I'm more comfortable with a Strat body than with a Tele or an LP. When I had the chance to purchase a used black Artist Series Clapton in equally find condition I swapped it out. Years later the interest in that Tele was sparked by the band. I have never seen one in any used gear section of any guitar store I've been in since I purchased that one over 15 years ago, and rarely, a natural finished body with a maple neck on eBay.[/quote]


Thanks. Your "Telecaster" seems like a PLUS ULTRA within the "Strat" series of Pluses.
Am I right? Toppscore :)
[/quote]

To the best of my knowledge, the guitar I've described was the first Tele to be wired as such. I don't recall the name Ultra being used for the Telecasters and, unlike the Stratocaster Plus series, whose pickup configurations usinig Lace Sensors evolved into different combinations, including the one called the Ultra, there was only one edition[the first] of the Tele-Plus which had Laces. The one I described, afterwhich Fender started using their own pickups. I also recall that their 35th Anniversary Stratocaster was a Strat Plus/Clapton hybrid as far as the electronics were concerned. It was a beautiful instrument.[/quote]



Yes. I meant with the dual bridge pickups and the in/out phase switch,
that Tele seemed similar to the Strat Plus Ultras. Just wondering.

I am sure there are no Tele Plus Ultras.
Maybe Tele Plus Deluxes???

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Google Telecaster Plus and go to the Wikipedia link for a concise summary of the history of the run. Mine was definitely version one.

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If I might just add.... Telecaster Plus v1. Blue lace sensor in the neck, red dually in the bridge with mini switch giving either red sensor or both in series. Telecaster Plus Deluxe same but with Strat style trem added.

I had a blue burst v1 and sold it about 18 months ago, now with hindsight.............

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