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Post subject: Re: Swapping Pup's
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 5:21 pm
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You know ..... Stevie didn't actually use Texas Specials. We all know that, don't we? If we didn't before, we do now. Those T/S pups were chosen (during the preliminary design stage) to go into his signature guitar but they were NOT what was in his number one. What he used (hand wound custom set) was probably closest to a set of Fat 50's as far as Fender production pups go.

Just sayin'....

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:19 pm
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You know ..... Stevie didn't actually use Texas Specials. We all know that, don't we? If we didn't before, we do now. Those T/S pups were chosen (during the preliminary design stage) to go into his signature guitar but they were NOT what was in his number one. What he used (hand wound custom set) was probably closest to a set of Fat 50's as far as Fender production pups go. Just sayin'....



BMW. Are their boutique pickups designed to duplicate SRV's actual main guitar's pickups?Or, do some pickup manufactures make "off-the-shelf" SRV pickups as normal inventory?

Just wondering . . . . . Two weeks ago I purchased from Guitar Fetish a three pickup set of dedicated "Jimi Hendrix pickups" with reverse staggering and special windings. Cool stuff.

"The Jimi set features reverse stagger - makes those strat power chords hotter and thicker!! Jimi didn't flip a righty guitar around to play lefty 'cause it looked cool- the reverse stagger creates a slightly stronger "A" string and a slightly smoother "B" string- subtle but powerful.

Besides the cool features, these are based on our finest strat pickups- RW/RP middle pickup for noise-fre position 2 and 4 on your 5 way! We've taken our popular vintage Alnico pickups and added real fiber bobbins, authentic 42 gauge plain enamel wire, cloth leads, even premium German alnico rod magnets. We have spared no expense in designing these pickups-with all the vintage accouterments:
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Wound quite hot to really drive an amp
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For that round, sweet, fat vintage strat tone with plenty of bite.
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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 8:49 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
You know ..... Stevie didn't actually use Texas Specials. We all know that, don't we? If we didn't before, we do now. Those T/S pups were chosen (during the preliminary design stage) to go into his signature guitar but they were NOT what was in his number one. What he used (hand wound custom set) was probably closest to a set of Fat 50's as far as Fender production pups go.

Just sayin'....



Huh :o ..... I knew they'd be just early 60's Pup's not TS's.......... Closer to Fat 50's... :o .....Makes sense...The TS's are very bitey....Interesting Post thx.....

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Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 9:43 pm
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There are a number of folks who do not believe Stevie used custom wound pickups and those folks will usually tell you that he used 1963 Strat pickups and that they were bone-stock except for one modification, shielding. I was once a member of another Fender Guitar Forum which had a member (forget the handle) who was pretty much the guru of gurus when it came to SRV knowledge and he insisted Stevie's pups were hand wound (by an undisclosed winder) to pretty much 1954 stock specifications but with some extra turns of wire to make them a touch hotter. I have found in my travels that it is pretty much generally agreed upon by a number of SRV afficionados that the C/S Fat 50's are the closest pups available to what he used. Some may argue and that's their privilege. Without having his original number one in our hot little hands we may never really know for sure.

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 3:52 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
There are a number of folks who do not believe Stevie used custom wound pickups and those folks will usually tell you that he used 1963 Strat pickups and that they were bone-stock except for one modification, shielding. I was once a member of another Fender Guitar Forum which had a member (forget the handle) who was pretty much the guru of gurus when it came to SRV knowledge and he insisted Stevie's pups were hand wound (by an undisclosed winder) to pretty much 1954 stock specifications but with some extra turns of wire to make them a touch hotter. I have found in my travels that it is pretty much generally agreed upon by a number of SRV afficionados that the C/S Fat 50's are the closest pups available to what he used. Some may argue and that's their privilege. Without having his original number one in our hot little hands we may never really know for sure.


... and Stevie was also an alien who's space craft crash landed in Roswell........ The Internet is full of misinformation. Unless you can quote names and dates my friend it will not stand as truth. Otherwise it is just another internet pile of............

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:01 am
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91Stratplayer wrote:
... and Stevie was also an alien who's space craft crash landed in Roswell........ The Internet is full of misinformation. Unless you can quote names and dates my friend it will not stand as truth. Otherwise it is just another internet pile of............

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Yuck. I am not eating tonight! :shock:
Fishing anyone? :P
Water purifier? :P
DeWormer Deluxe? :P
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Post subject: Re: Swapping Pup's
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 5:03 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
There are a number of folks who do not believe Stevie used custom wound pickups and those folks will usually tell you that he used 1963 Strat pickups and that they were bone-stock except for one modification, shielding. I was once a member of another Fender Guitar Forum which had a member (forget the handle) who was pretty much the guru of gurus when it came to SRV knowledge and he insisted Stevie's pups were hand wound (by an undisclosed winder) to pretty much 1954 stock specifications but with some extra turns of wire to make them a touch hotter. I have found in my travels that it is pretty much generally agreed upon by a number of SRV afficionados that the C/S Fat 50's are the closest pups available to what he used. Some may argue and that's their privilege. Without having his original number one in our hot little hands we may never really know for sure.


Thanks, BMW. Good to know the Custom Shop Fat 50's are
(in your opinion) a good match for the SRV Blues tones.

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 8:54 am
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Toppscore wrote:
Thanks, BMW. Good to know the Custom Shop Fat 50's are
(in your opinion) a good match for the SRV Blues tones.

Toppscore 8)


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... Unless you can quote names and dates my friend it will not stand as truth. Otherwise it is just another internet pile of............

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So, what part of ...
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Some may argue and that's their privilege. Without having his original number one in our hot little hands we may never really know for sure.

... did I make unclear?

Please make sure you read the entire post before you call someone shyte and make innuendos about little green men. Thank you.

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Post subject: Re: Swapping Pup's
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 11:58 am
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BMW-KTM wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
Thanks, BMW. Good to know the Custom Shop Fat 50's are
(in your opinion) a good match for the SRV Blues tones.

Toppscore 8)


It's my pleasure.


91Stratplayer wrote:
... Unless you can quote names and dates my friend it will not stand as truth. Otherwise it is just another internet pile of............

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So, what part of ...
BMW-KTM wrote:
Some may argue and that's their privilege. Without having his original number one in our hot little hands we may never really know for sure.

... did I make unclear?

Please make sure you read the entire post before you call someone shyte and make innuendos about little green men. Thank you.



Mr. C. Lee Hopkins literally wrote the book on Stevie Ray starting in 1993 chronicling his life and times. In his book The Stevie Ray Anthology. Mr. Hopkins states that his guitars were “all stock Fender Statocasters from the early 60's”. “Number 1 was a bit of a mongrel: the rosewood neck was dated 1959, while the body was dated 1962. Stevie bought the guitar in 1973. In 1989 the 1959 neck was retired. It was replaced with the neck from his 1960 cream colored Strat. About six weeks before his death that neck was crushed in a freak accident at the New Jersey Garden State Arts Center. The only modifications he made were to employ Gibson Base frets as they were the biggest available at the time to handle his 13-56 string gauge.”

The Fender Custom shop also confirmed that Stevie's pickups were stock Fender pickups from the 62-63 era, when they inspected and took measurements from his guitar for the reproduction guitars they created.

Stevie employes three-amp type setups combining 100 and 200 watt Marshals, 150 and 300 watt Howard Dumbles steel string singers, and a bunch of old Fender Vibroverbs, Super Reverbs, and Baseman. A Vox Wah, Ibanez Tube Screamer, a vintage Fuzz Face, and an Octavia. Sometimes he combined two tube screamers or two Wahs.

Custom Pickups. Sounds like someone was pulling your leg just a bit.


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Post subject: Re: Swapping Pup's
Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:07 pm
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I have a set of Area's on the way, we'll see how they sound... I have several pups. The "best" sounding so far have actually been the set on the Custom Series 50's Strat....

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 12:53 pm
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Rene Martinez, Stevie's guitar tech for many years has his own brand of pups designed to emulate what Stevie used. Pricy though.


As far as pup height for Steve's guitars Dan Erlewine spent a day with Martinez going over the setups of SRV guitars and this is what he wrote

Pickup height
As a reference point I laid a precision steel straightedge along the frets for making the measurement. Stevie’s pickups were raised fairly high. I measured from the straightedge to the polepiece tops: On the treble side, the bridge pickup touched the straightedge, and the middle almost touched the straightedge, and the neck pickup was 1/16" away. The bass side measured 1/32" at the bridge pickup, 1/16" at the middle, and 1/32" at the neck.

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 1:00 pm
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I quote from Wiki:

Number One (also known as Vaughan's 'First Wife') was a 62/63 Fender Stratocaster used by Vaughan for most of his career; it was "rebuilt more times than a custom Chevy."[2] Vaughan always claimed it was a 1959 model, since that date was written on the back of the pick-ups; Rene Martinez, who maintained the guitar since 1980, saw the year 1963 stamped in the body and 1962 on the neck.

Not that I think Wiki is the final word on any matter but the point I do make is that there is more than just one SRV expert out there to be quoted and they do not always say the same things. I will repeat my earlier comment. Until we have Stevie's Number One in our hot little hands we we will never really know for sure. If you want to argue that point you are free to do so but it will result in me adding you to my ignore list as I don't have the slightest intention of arguing any further on the matter. You're entitled to your opinion. You've expressed it. If you wish to continue justifying putting words in my mouth about aliens while also insulting me, well that's another matter.

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Posted: Fri Jul 27, 2012 10:57 pm
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BMW-KTM wrote:
I quote from Wiki:

Number One (also known as Vaughan's 'First Wife') was a 62/63 Fender Stratocaster used by Vaughan for most of his career; it was "rebuilt more times than a custom Chevy."[2] Vaughan always claimed it was a 1959 model, since that date was written on the back of the pick-ups; Rene Martinez, who maintained the guitar since 1980, saw the year 1963 stamped in the body and 1962 on the neck.

Not that I think Wiki is the final word on any matter but the point I do make is that there is more than just one SRV expert out there to be quoted and they do not always say the same things. I will repeat my earlier comment. Until we have Stevie's Number One in our hot little hands we we will never really know for sure. If you want to argue that point you are free to do so but it will result in me adding you to my ignore list as I don't have the slightest intention of arguing any further on the matter. You're entitled to your opinion. You've expressed it. If you wish to continue justifying putting words in my mouth about aliens while also insulting me, well that's another matter.



I read about SRV's wife buying the guitar, as well.
Does she have a daughter who buys guitars :?: :shock:

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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 10:10 am
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I've got the same probs with both my Texas Special Strats. One has standard Texas Specials (American) and the other one has Fender Custom Shop Texas Specials.
With both guitars the high E and B strings are lower in volume, specially when playing bending notes.
Raising the treble side of the pickups helped a little bit.

Both guitars played via Hughes & Kettner Statesman halfstack, Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18, Vox Night Train 15 Watts, Fender Blues Deluxe combo, Fender Cyber Twin and via Boss BR 1200 CD and Boss GT 10 with headphones.

No matter what amp it was, they always were lower in volume than the other strings. Clean sounds only! No probs with crunch or high gain sounds.

The difference is very minor but hearable. As I said, raising the treble side helped a bit.

I play 009s on most of my guitars. I rarely use 010s.

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Posted: Sun Jul 29, 2012 11:52 am
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Smokin' Frets wrote:
I've got the same probs with both my Texas Special Strats. One has standard Texas Specials (American) and the other one has Fender Custom Shop Texas Specials.
With both guitars the high E and B strings are lower in volume, specially when playing bending notes.
Raising the treble side of the pickups helped a little bit.

Both guitars played via Hughes & Kettner Statesman halfstack, Hughes & Kettner Tubemeister 18, Vox Night Train 15 Watts, Fender Blues Deluxe combo, Fender Cyber Twin and via Boss BR 1200 CD and Boss GT 10 with headphones.

No matter what amp it was, they always were lower in volume than the other strings. Clean sounds only! No probs with crunch or high gain sounds.

The difference is very minor but hearable. As I said, raising the treble side helped a bit.

I play 009s on most of my guitars. I rarely use 010s.


Tried explaining to the OP that raising the treble side would help but he's hung up on the "g" string .

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