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Post subject: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 11:57 am
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I have two parts-casters both with Fender liscense Mighty Mite necks. The string tension on both these guitars is a great deal tighter than my real stratocasters, so much so that my fingers hurt after playing them. The actions are not set real high etc. they are just plain beasts to play.

All have Ernie Ball Super Slinkey .9-.42's
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Post subject: Re: Stratocaste string tenion.
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 12:37 pm
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If the guitars are all tuned the same, and the strings are the same, and the scale lengths are all the same at 25.5", then the "string tension" is going to be the same on all the guitars. Some might argue that type of bridge and bridge adjustment can be a factor in bending strings, although I would say that would be a minimal factor if any factor at all.

String tension's the same, so there may be other factors at play. Normally I would look at string height. Fresh strings...no oxidation? Are the frets clean and smooth?

Neck profile / back of neck / can also play a role in how the guitar feels to you. Are the profiles all the same?


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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 1:53 pm
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Everything is pretty much the same. Its a real mystery to me.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Mon Jul 23, 2012 6:07 pm
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Your "parts" probably need a good setup, by a Pro. I have a few Parts guitars, MIA's and MIM's they all feel about the same. I have really great setups on all of them. It makes a big difference.


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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 4:52 am
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Regardless of being licensed by whomever, there will be subtle differences in any and all components, thereby distinguishing them from the 'real thing'. And then there's the overall manufacturing standards of the components to be considered too. Please don't take offense but Mighty Mite isn't in the upper echelon of aftermarket parts. As has been said, your best bet is to get them to a COMPETENT professional who will optimize their playability to the extent possible.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 6:35 am
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Thanks,

All my parts casters are for me to learn on, not so much playing, but the ins and outs of construction and setting up. I would never take them to a tech as thats not the goal.

I know Mighty Mite is not the tops but mine are all solid straight and true.

I lowered the string height last night and it seemd to take care of a lot of the problem. They are alot more playable but still seem a little tight.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:22 am
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Martin sometimes you crack me up. "Regardless of being licensed by whomever, there will be subtle differences in any and all components, thereby distinguishing them from the 'real thing'. "

Does this not apply to the real thing also? Did I miss something. Enlighten me with the difference.


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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 7:33 am
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Martin sometimes you crack me up. "Regardless of being licensed by whomever, there will be subtle differences in any and all components, thereby distinguishing them from the 'real thing'. "

Does this not apply to the real thing also? Did I miss something. Enlighten me with the difference.


Plain and simple: You buy cheap, you get cheap.

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:08 am
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So you think that a "Licensed Fender" neck is not as good as the Fender made product. I have a model mm2927 I would put up against any Fender neck. A Licensed product has to meet certain production and material build standards. Fender has to inspect the licensed product from time to time to insure a specific quality in the manufacturing process as per the licensing agreement. A non-Licensed product can be of any quality because there are no set standards. We all can certainly buy the cheapest no-name necks from Fleabay. A few companies here in the US make Non-licensed guitar necks and you can buy their bottom of the line ones along with some very expensive top of the line. It does not mean it's any better or worse than the licensed product.

With Fender as with Gibson or any quality manufacturer you pay for name brand recognition. Those Logo's cost us all big bucks.


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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 8:40 am
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91Stratplayer wrote:
So you think that a "Licensed Fender" neck is not as good as the Fender made product.

Most, yes.
91Stratplayer wrote:
I have a model mm2927 I would put up against any Fender neck.

I'm glad you are satisfied with your MM2927 neck.
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A Licensed product has to meet certain production and material build standards. Fender has to inspect the licensed product from time to time to insure a specific quality in the manufacturing process as per the licensing agreement. A non-Licensed product can be of any quality because there are no set standards. We all can certainly buy the cheapest no-name necks from Fleabay.

I doubt very strongly that Fender is doing periodic inspections on any of their licensed products and for argument's sake, even if they do, I doubt if there is a huge thrust on QC standards of the licensee's operations. On a tangent but just for popular licensing example, I find it hard to believe that Floyd Rose or his designee(s) circulates the globe, verifying in any intense depth, every company he licenses his name to.
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A few companies here in the US make Non-licensed guitar necks and you can buy their bottom of the line ones along with some very expensive top of the line. It does not mean it's any better or worse than the licensed product.

Agreed. Be they licensed or unlicensed products, they are in fact, different products where just like any other manufacturer, said manufacturer's products can run the gamut in terms of price and/or quality. Notwithstanding, such practices are a windfall to the patent holder who, taps into new and lucrative sources of revenue by minimal effort.
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With Fender as with Gibson or any quality manufacturer you pay for name brand recognition. Those Logo's cost us all big bucks.

Agreed too. Anything with a 'pedigreed' name is usually overpriced.

Now I'm not trying to inflame you or anyone else here. The aforementioned is my opinion and obviously in certain areas, YMDoesV. So, let us agree to disagree on these points.

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Posted: Tue Jul 24, 2012 10:18 am
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If the guitars are all tuned the same, and the strings are the same, and the scale lengths are all the same at 25.5", then the "string tension" is going to be the same on all the guitars.

That's right - it's the laws of physics.

So if they feel different something has to be different. I'd be looking at action first of all. That can change how strings feel.

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I lowered the string height last night and it seemd to take care of a lot of the problem. They are alot more playable but still seem a little tight.

Ah-ha! Well that's a good start.

Next, talking about how springs work in the mechanics of this stuff gets complicated and is best avoided if we don't need to go there. So just tell us, Oneal, do your Fender Strats and Partsocasters all have the same number of trem springs? You can probably see without removing the back plates...

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:13 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Next, talking about how springs work in the mechanics of this stuff gets complicated and is best avoided if we don't need to go there. So just tell us, Oneal, do your Fender Strats and Partsocasters all have the same number of trem springs? You can probably see without removing the back plates...


Ceri,

I carry 4 or 5 springs on all my Strats. I never use the floating bridge so I bring the bridges down flush with the body surface buy turning down the claw screws. I have never employed the Clapton type wooden wedge block.

Actually I restrung it more carefully and adjusted the neck and strings and it seem to take care of the problem.

Thanks in advance

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Wed Jul 25, 2012 3:27 pm
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Actually I restrung it more carefully and adjusted the neck and strings and it seem to take care of the problem.

Ah-ha. Excellent - sorted! :D

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Post subject: Re: Stratocaster string tenion.
Posted: Thu Jul 26, 2012 6:31 am
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Ceri wrote:
Ah-ha. Excellent - sorted!


This was a kind of strange incident. Everything looked so normal. I had played with some of my strats with "high" strings before and it did not seem to bother me past the obvious. Something was distinctly different this time. I guess for me there is a "sweet spot" were the neck curvature, string height and all things work together. Past that and I am out of my comfort zone.

I will say this. The Mighty Mite neck seem to be "harder" more stiff and solid than my Fender necks. Perhaps that works into the mix in a some way.

So the unit involved is posted below. It a Chinese Squier body, full thickness and rather heavy. The original neck was a rosewood squier and is missing the third fret wire. I replaced it with this Mighty Mite neck. the pickups are a GFS prewired Alnico 5 set. Inexpensive but really great pure clean sound. The bridge is the original plate but I replaced saddles with GFS stainless ones and additionally a GFS solid steel trem block. Ernie Ball super slinky .9-.42's and Wilknison "locking" tuners. A true assortment.

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