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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 7:51 am
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here is a side by side comparison, you can see many differences. especially string tree placement.

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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 8:42 am
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Side by side, I can really tell the difference, the one question
is slightly elongated and slimmer.
I looked at my HR 62, the rw on the maple is straight .
Yup fake, I would return it if possible

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:28 pm
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thats a good spot guys i hadn't noticed that myself. I've just looked at some photos of some other reissues and i think the curve in the rosewood was on slightly older models. I'm not sure here's some links whats your opinions in comparison to mine?

http://www.fenderreissue.com/fender-cus ... er-reissue

http://www.fenderreissue.com/corona/198 ... aster-sold

http://www.fenderreissue.com/1983-fende ... aster-3350


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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 1:38 pm
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hrmm there is a slight curve an those, not near as pronounced but its there. i guess it is possible it slipped through the production. but adding all the subtle differences together makes for one scary situation. what does your bridge spacing measure?

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Posted: Tue Jul 17, 2012 3:21 pm
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what do i need to measure to get the bridge spacing?? do you mean on the body ??


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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 2:57 am
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fantashtic wrote:
I recently brought a Fender Strat from someone online. It was sold to me as a genuine 62 reissue. I recently knocked the headstock on the guitar which encouraged me to get it checked out. The guy who did the setup for me noticed a few things wrong from the start. Firstly the neck and body were dated 10 years apart. The neck being 2009 and the body 1999. The neck has a USA stamp on it but we're not sure if the body is genuine fender. I have asked him to find out from one of his colleagues and should find out asap. The other strange thing he found was the wiring was not wrapped with material like on proper 60's reissue pickups. The main reason this all came to light was due to the strat not sounding right when played above the 10th fret on the top E string. The tuning sounded flat even when the string was perfectly in tune. The main issue at the moment is the sound problems. If the strat comes back as real I'm not too bothered about the years mismatch as it makes it a bit different but i can't live with the sound problems even after a full proper setup. any ideas here would be much appreciated!!!!!!!!!


Personally, I'd get rid of it. There are cajillions of great guitars out in the world
that do not have the mis-matching-date issues. Sell it and get one you'll not have
to spend the rest of your life explaining how you got taken and how:
"It's reallly a very good guitar, BUT ~"
even though it has orphaned parts (and maybe unwanted discarded parts).

I owned one that had a different neck than body, and it was a real pain trying
to get it sold for a decent price. Constant explaining :roll: Bad karma :oops: Low vibes :x

Get a guitar YOU ARE PROUD OF :!: :!: :!: :shock: :shock: :D :D

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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 3:04 am
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bluesstrattone wrote:
Also looking at the date on the neck, reads as if
They're (who ever built the neck) is
using an international way of writing a date.
90-05-09 either
YY-mm-dd or YY-DD-MM



IMHO, maybe the first "90" is not part of the date at all???
What do you think?

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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:10 am
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I think the dates matching isn't the biggest issue, I don't recall ever seeing a fender with a hard stamped date on it. however I do think it is possibly a refinish and was stamped afterwards by whomever did the work. this would explain the curvy rosewood seem. this also could explain the slight overall shape difference.

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if you look closely at the seam you can see the flat radius section of rosewood above the nut no longer has the curve in the normal way. this happens from over sanding in an arch pattern . also the lack of curve under "fender" could be from sanding with a block causing it to go flat. so this could defiantly be a refinish.

also the string tree still looks a little low to me .

would it be possible for you to get a photo showing the edge lines of the decals? and can you tell if there is finish sprayed over them?

also to measure the bridge spacing, just take a ruler and measure E to E on the screws and strings. it looks like the vintage 2 7/32 spacing but that is hard to tell in photos sometimes. if both measure 2 1/16 it is not an american reissue body.

if you like the way it plays and got a smoking deal I would say accept the risk, but if you paid more than you are willing to risk on a fake...... forget it it is definitely a risky one and unfortunately there are some good fakes floating around.

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Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:28 am
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I think the neck is from a Fender-Japan re-issue. Fuji-Gen is the only plant (aside from the Custom Shop in Corona) that gets the string-tree location correct. If you examine any authentic vintage Strat you'll note that it's situated even with the A string tuner post. As for the rosewood seam appearing different from the other neck above the nut, that's a function of the machining used to create the "waterfall" on the headstock. And I've seen countless variations on how it's accomplished, even among similar instruments that were made in the same factory in the same year.

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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 6:45 pm
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somebizarredude wrote:
I think the dates matching isn't the biggest issue, I don't recall ever seeing a fender with a hard stamped date on it. however I do think it is possibly a refinish and was stamped afterwards by whomever did the work. this would explain the curvy rosewood seem. this also could explain the slight overall shape difference.

if you look closely at the seam you can see the flat radius section of rosewood above the nut no longer has the curve in the normal way. this happens from over sanding in an arch pattern . also the lack of curve under "fender" could be from sanding with a block causing it to go flat. so this could defiantly be a refinish.

also the string tree still looks a little low to me .

would it be possible for you to get a photo showing the edge lines of the decals? and can you tell if there is finish sprayed over them?

also to measure the bridge spacing, just take a ruler and measure E to E on the screws and strings. it looks like the vintage 2 7/32 spacing but that is hard to tell in photos sometimes. if both measure 2 1/16 it is not an american reissue body.

if you like the way it plays and got a smoking deal I would say accept the risk, but if you paid more than you are willing to risk on a fake...... forget it it is definitely a risky one and unfortunately there are some good fakes floating around.



Wow, Bizarre Dude :shock: :!: :!: :!:

Great Fender Detective Work :!: :!: :!:

Would you buy or own that guitar?
If you discovered it in your collection, what would you do?
Report it to the FBI? Report it to Fender?
Sell it to a person you are mad towards :lol: :?:

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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 9:39 pm
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Wow, Bizarre Dude :shock: :!: :!: :!:

Great Fender Detective Work :!: :!: :!:

Would you buy or own that guitar?
If you discovered it in your collection, what would you do?
Report it to the FBI? Report it to Fender?
Sell it to a person you are mad towards :lol: :?:


unfortunately I have come across several fakes on craigslist here recently......
so I am getting a bit of practice at spotting the subtle details. it seems to be increasingly more common these past few years. the owners are sometimes genuinely shocked from my news and some you can tell don't care simply because they knew.


to your questions. based on what I see, I personally would pass due to all the inconsistencies from the norm.
BUT if it played well enough and had the appropriate partscaster price, I would consider it. but the neck scares me :lol:

just to many punks with fender decals :evil:

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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Wed Jul 18, 2012 10:03 pm
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somebizarredude wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
Wow, Bizarre Dude :shock: :!: :!: :!:
Great Fender Detective Work :!: :!: :!:
Would you buy or own that guitar?
If you discovered it in your collection, what would you do?
Report it to the FBI? Report it to Fender?
Sell it to a person you are mad towards :lol: :?:
unfortunately I have come across several fakes on craigslist here recently......
so I am getting a bit of practice at spotting the subtle details. it seems to be increasingly more common these past few years. the owners are sometimes genuinely shocked from my news and some you can tell don't care simply because they knew. to your questions. based on what I see, I personally would pass due to all the inconsistencies from the norm. BUT if it played well enough and had the appropriate partscaster price, I would consider it. but the neck scares me :lol: just to many punks with fender decals :evil:


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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 6:20 pm
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I'm not an expert but.. I agree with the others, there are many things odd about that guitar, odd in a bad way. And I've never seen neck stamps like that on a Fender neck, either.
If that guitar was presented to you as a genuine '62 RI I think the seller either lied or was ignorant of what was really going on. Seems like a partscaster to me.


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Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 10:37 pm
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stringbender11 wrote:
I'm not an expert but.. I agree with the others, there are many things odd about that guitar, odd in a bad way. And I've never seen neck stamps like that on a Fender neck, either.
If that guitar was presented to you as a genuine '62 RI I think the seller either lied or was ignorant of what was really going on. Seems like a partscaster to me.


+1

Too many unexplained and unresolved inconsistencies.

Let this one pass.

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Post subject: Re: Is my strat worth keeping??
Posted: Thu Jul 19, 2012 11:24 pm
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I don't normally participate in these kinds of threads because, quite frankly, I'm just not that much of an expert when it comes to examining vintage (or vintage re-issue) guitars ... however ... I believe I may have noticed another inconsistency which I don't think anyone has mentioned yet. I'm looking at the side-by-side pics and it appears to me as thought the "Original Contour Body" decal may be slightly rotated off of the correct orientation. Does that look right to you fellows?

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