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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 12:13 pm
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Arnold Layne wrote:
To me as long as the body and neck is Fender strat it's a real strat, even if they come from different guitars, which is why they bolt on to begin with. Leo's original idea was that if your neck wore out, simply bolt on a new one. Would anybody disagree that the following pictures are NOT a strat?


Arnold!!!!
For me, you have stated the best way to define a true Fender Stratocaster/Telecaster.
It's the WOOD :shock:


Great! Because, even Fender uses parts and pieces and components
from other manufacturers. And all Fender guitars are different from
other Fender guitars either in major or in subtle ways.

Thanks. Much appreciated. Man with a head on his shoulders :?

Hey, Jimi! Is that guitar a Fender Strat :?: :?: :?:
I don't know :?: But the neck and body say "Fender" on them.
Then, Jimi, it's a Fender Strat :!: :!: :!: No matter how you flip it around :lol:

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Thanks Toppscore....I think :?: Yes to me it's the lumber...Anything else is fair game, like you said even fender used other parts, syemour duncan p'ups, Kahler trems, Floyd Rose, Lace sensors...So why not, it's really all a personal choice, BUT the lumber has to be "real" Fender to be , Strat, Tele,Mustang...etc.
A burger is a burger right? I may like bacon and cheese, while you may like onion and tomato, but whatever topping you like personally, if it's on a hunk of meat between a bun it's a hamburger!

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 7:52 pm
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In my own opinion I would have to say that I perceive a strat that has it's original body/neck to be a strat. That may include hardware changes such as pickups, strings, pickguard and whatever else you'd like to swap or customize. Even if you mod the wiring I'd consider it a "modded strat" but a strat nonetheless. If you swap the neck or body, that starts getting into a gray area for me and my limited mind to consider a stratocaster :) :?


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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:15 pm
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In my own opinion I would have to say that I perceive a strat that has it's original body/neck to be a strat. That may include hardware changes such as pickups, strings, pickguard and whatever else you'd like to swap or customize. Even if you mod the wiring I'd consider it a "modded strat" but a strat nonetheless. If you swap the neck or body, that starts getting into a gray area for me and my limited mind to consider a stratocaster :) :?


So then with this opinion David Gilmour's "Black Strat" is not a strat.
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Would anybody disagree that the following pictures are NOT a strat?

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I have to go with this is every bit a strat. This "strat" has undergone several transformations, and there is no way I will accept it is NOT a Strat anymore.

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:30 pm
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This is all a little silly.


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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 8:43 pm
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davidwhitson wrote:
This is all a little silly.

Thats what makes it so fun! 8)

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Tue Aug 14, 2012 9:48 pm
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Arnold Layne wrote:
sbatten wrote:
In my own opinion I would have to say that I perceive a strat that has it's original body/neck to be a strat. That may include hardware changes such as pickups, strings, pickguard and whatever else you'd like to swap or customize. Even if you mod the wiring I'd consider it a "modded strat" but a strat nonetheless. If you swap the neck or body, that starts getting into a gray area for me and my limited mind to consider a stratocaster :) :?


So then with this opinion David Gilmour's "Black Strat" is not a strat.
Arnold Layne wrote:
Would anybody disagree that the following pictures are NOT a strat?

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I have to go with this is every bit a strat. This "strat" has undergone several transformations, and there is no way I will accept it is NOT a Strat anymore.


Oh no I'm not laying down classifications for strat and non strat I was just saying that if you're putting a tele neck or what have you on a strat body, I don't know if that then is technically a tele-strat or still straight up strat :) It's so hard to say!


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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:23 am
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IMO i would say to be a legit Fender Strat it needs the following.
Neck and Body, neck can be a replacement, but needs to be a Fender product.
all hardware needs to be original, or a Fender replacement, no aftermarket stuff.
pickups, and pick guard are optional mods, as long as you keep the originals.
strings.? really.. nobody uses the same strings... GTFO....lol
strings are changed on a guitar the 1st hour it gets home, along with a setup check.

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:27 am
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Guitar_Fiend wrote:
not sure if I commented on this before or not, but I would say if it's still a Fender Strat body and neck then it is still a strat - the other components are fair game.
Once you change the body or neck, even if using a licensed replacement body by someone like Warmoth, I would say it becomes a parts-caster.
The reason I have this opinion is because Fender themselves have so many variations on the design that you can't truly define a strat by one particular setup. The American Standard might be the benchmark - pro quality, but basically middle of the road for the production models.
But since Fender still considers all it's variations strats, how can we deny a strat's right to having the name if it's at least an original Fender neck and body?



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I hear you, Fiend :!: :!: :!:

What is "THAT CLASSIC STRATOCASTER SOUND"???

And then you will hear "OH MY, THAT'S A CLASSIC TELECASTER TONE" :lol: :lol: :lol:

Yeah, sure. From which Strat? Which Telecaster?
What model version year deluxe MIA MIM MIJ MIC MIK MIP select classic :?:
Did you get the offered FENDER FACTORY UPGRADES?
How 'bout the artist version? custom shop? limited edition?

Oh, my!!! My Fender Strat HHH sounds like a Les Paul :lol:
which switch position are you on? S-1 Switching? TBX pushed or pulled?
Whammy bar bridge, anyone?
Lace Sensors or Fat Strat HSS?

IMHO ~ Too much Bull-Pooh from "Wanna-Beeee-Know-It-Alzheimer's" old retirees
trying to add a nickel's worth of two-bits.
Way too totally too much "Higher-Than-Almighty-Prideful-Opinionated-Comments"

GFiend ~ I'm going with the Fender wood body & Fender wood neck = Fender.
All else can change with pure enjoyment.

Man, how many NASCAR races and Modified Hot Rod dragsters have I attended
that are too totally cool with the modified Fords Chevys GMs Mustangs Corvettes
Dodge Charger Challenger Cameros Plymouths that all have "some" resembance
to the original showroom autobody? ALL OF THEM. You can tell.

Just so with Fender Strats & Teles.
Buy'em, mess with them, play them, alter them, modifiy them ~ HAVE A BLAST.

This year I sold ALL of my vintage guitars for great money.
I've ten 1990-2010 Fender Strats & Teles remaining.
Could not stand the fact that the vintage guitars sound good
within a narrow level of sounds and tones. But, had to go to
other guitars to get that Floyd Rose Tremolo, Humbuckers,
Active Pickups, HHH HSS HSH "H", etc.

Now, I've absolutely NO/NONE/NOT/NIL/ZERO bad feelings or guilty conscious
modifying my 1990-2010 guitars. I've shared a few photos on this forum.

Does EVERYBODY agree with Guitar Fiend that:
Factory Fender neck wood and Factory Fender body wood is what makes a Fender?
That a Fender is a Fender, no matter how you modify it?
As long as it came from the Fender Factory? RIGHT :?: :?: :?:

What do you think feel or believe?
Toppscore 8)

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:36 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
The number of versions of the Stratocaster produced by Fender has been cited. In the spirit of the law, if you change any of the stock components of any of those guitars. it is no longer THAT guitar. The case that was cited for me involved the refurbishing of cell phones and because the remanufacture involved installing a component that was different from that in the original phone's manufacture it was no longer entitled to wear the name of THAT phone. So, where Thorn is concerned, if the guitar that is now equipped with '69 pickups started out as an American Standard, cannot be resold/referred to as it's former self...in the spirit of the law. You can describe it as a Stratocaster guitar: American Standard w/'69 pickups but not as a Fender American Standard Stratocaster.


Love it ~ "Spirit of THE LAW"
Of course you just made that up.
But, I am in agreement.
If you sell a Camero, you have to state it has bigger rims
and four more barrels on the carb.

ZZ, most everybody will sell a guitar and state it's history or variations/modifications.
It is the fraudsters fakers liars cheats connivers hoodwinkers chiselers cons deceiters tricksters etc
that are the ones who break "THE SPIRIT OF THE LAW" ~ RIGHT :?: :?: :?:

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:38 am
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RCB-CA-USA wrote:
I am also thinking...there's a vintage strat and a modern strat, the modern strat getting modern electronics and hardware and a beefy headstock, but the vintage style strat gets the moniker of "strat" because it's the original strat.
So, I've got a modern strat!


Dude!!!! You've GOT A FENDER :shock:

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:48 am
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Arnold Layne wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
Arnold!!!! For me, you have stated the best way to define a true Fender Stratocaster/Telecaster.
It's the WOOD :shock:

Great! Because, even Fender uses parts and pieces and components
from other manufacturers. And all Fender guitars are different from
other Fender guitars either in major or in subtle ways.
Thanks. Much appreciated. Man with a head on his shoulders :?

Hey, Jimi! Is that guitar a Fender Strat :?: :?: :?:
I don't know :?: But the neck and body say "Fender" on them.
Then, Jimi, it's a Fender Strat :!: :!: :!: No matter how you flip it around :lol:

Toppscore 8)

Thanks Toppscore....I think :?: Yes to me it's the lumber...Anything else is fair game, like you said even fender used other parts, syemour duncan p'ups, Kahler trems, Floyd Rose, Lace sensors...So why not, it's really all a personal choice, BUT the lumber has to be "real" Fender to be , Strat, Tele,Mustang...etc.
A burger is a burger right? I may like bacon and cheese, while you may like onion and tomato, but whatever topping you like personally, if it's on a hunk of meat between a bun it's a hamburger!


Arnold ~ where do you get your burgers :shock:
Make sure your burgers are MIA ~ Not MIM or MIC

If "Wendy" "Mac" "Carl" "Hardee" "Arby" "Jack" or the "Five Guys" around the corner
made your burger, you got a real USA hamburger!
Makes no difference how you modified the burger's neck or body
with catsup mustard DeMarzio Bigsby or an "ACTIVE HUM-BURGER" :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Enjoy ~ Toppscore 8)

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 12:51 am
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Jimmikatt wrote:
IMO i would say to be a legit Fender Strat it needs the following.
Neck and Body, neck can be a replacement, but needs to be a Fender product.
all hardware needs to be original, or a Fender replacement, no aftermarket stuff.
pickups, and pick guard are optional mods, as long as you keep the originals.
strings.? really.. nobody uses the same strings... GTFO....lol
strings are changed on a guitar the 1st hour it gets home, along with a setup check.


Ahhhhhhhhhh - too tight. After market is way too cool.
Fender cannot do it all.
Like your Neck/Body concepts. Toppscore

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 8:04 am
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Toppscore wrote:
Arnold Layne wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
Arnold!!!! For me, you have stated the best way to define a true Fender Stratocaster/Telecaster.
It's the WOOD :shock:

Great! Because, even Fender uses parts and pieces and components
from other manufacturers. And all Fender guitars are different from
other Fender guitars either in major or in subtle ways.
Thanks. Much appreciated. Man with a head on his shoulders :?

Hey, Jimi! Is that guitar a Fender Strat :?: :?: :?:
I don't know :?: But the neck and body say "Fender" on them.
Then, Jimi, it's a Fender Strat :!: :!: :!: No matter how you flip it around :lol:

Toppscore 8)

I like mine with lettuce and tomata, Heinz 57 and french fried potata, big kosher pickle and a cold draft beer, good god oh molly which way do I steer!
Thanks Toppscore....I think :?: Yes to me it's the lumber...Anything else is fair game, like you said even fender used other parts, syemour duncan p'ups, Kahler trems, Floyd Rose, Lace sensors...So why not, it's really all a personal choice, BUT the lumber has to be "real" Fender to be , Strat, Tele,Mustang...etc.
A burger is a burger right? I may like bacon and cheese, while you may like onion and tomato, but whatever topping you like personally, if it's on a hunk of meat between a bun it's a hamburger!


Arnold ~ where do you get your burgers :shock:
Make sure your burgers are MIA ~ Not MIM or MIC

If "Wendy" "Mac" "Carl" "Hardee" "Arby" "Jack" or the "Five Guys" around the corner
made your burger, you got a real USA hamburger!
Makes no difference how you modified the burger's neck or body
with catsup mustard DeMarzio Bigsby or an "ACTIVE HUM-BURGER" :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Enjoy ~ Toppscore 8)

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Post subject: Re: When is a Strat not a Strat anymore?
Posted: Wed Aug 15, 2012 7:17 pm
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Toppscore wrote:
Arnold ~ where do you get your burgers :shock:
Make sure your burgers are MIA ~ Not MIM or MIC

If "Wendy" "Mac" "Carl" "Hardee" "Arby" "Jack" or the "Five Guys" around the corner
made your burger, you got a real USA hamburger!
Makes no difference how you modified the burger's neck or body
with catsup mustard DeMarzio Bigsby or an "ACTIVE HUM-BURGER" :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Enjoy ~ Toppscore 8)


So Arnold, which Tele-Burgers do you enjoy most :?: :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Toppscore wrote:
Arnold ~ where do you get your burgers :shock:
Make sure your burgers are MIA ~ Not MIM or MIC

If "Wendy" "Mac" "Carl" "Hardee" "Arby" "Jack" or the "Five Guys" around the corner
made your burger, you got a real USA hamburger!
Makes no difference how you modified the burger's neck or body
with catsup mustard DeMarzio Bigsby or an "ACTIVE HUM-BURGER" :shock: :shock: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:


Enjoy ~ Toppscore 8)


So Arnold, which Tele-Burgers do you enjoy most :?: :lol: :lol: :lol:

Oh no...your not sucking me into another debate thread! However, I like my tele-burgers pretty much plain...no toppings :lol: :lol: :lol:

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