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My latest thinking here would be rosewood if you have vintage frets, and maple if you like medium jumbo and larger frets.


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Gravity Jim wrote:
Maple reflects more light than rosewood.

Other than that, whatever.




hehehehehe that was a good one

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Any thoughts about an ebony fretboard? I've never played on one but heard they were smoother which would seem to be better for bending.


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If you like maple necks buy one with medium frets so you can get it
leveled maybe two to three times before needing a refret.
I played a maple neck '79 Anniversary for 20 years and had it leveled once. Personally a Tele should have a maple neck and the Strat a
rosewood, but that's just my opinion.

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Any thoughts about an ebony fretboard? I've never played on one but heard they were smoother which would seem to be better for bending.


I have an SG with an ebony fretboard. It's the fastest damn axe I've ever played! I've never seen a Fender with ebony.

My Strat has maple, my paul rosewood.

As to the maple neck having a brighter sound - Not from what I've heard.

IMO it's all aesthetics and personal preference. For years I didn't own a Fender but always said that when (or if) I did it would have a maple neck - they just have "the look" for me.


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I plan on purchasing a fender american standard strat and I was wondering if someone could please inform me on the differences between the maple fretboards compared to the rosewood fretboards. Thanks


Necks have been constructed with rosewood/maple boards on a maple neck or solid maple necks alone.
It has been suggested that solid maple offers a brighter, snappier tone.


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I'm sorry but how would the neck provide 'tone'? The string vibrates in the air and there is some vibration of the wood that occurs but nothing very significant for electric guitar (almost negligible even). The sound of the vibrating string is literally 'picked up' by the, er, pickups using electro-magnetic transduction. I've seen people prove this by building guitars with 2x4s, slapping on bridge/nut/pickups/wiring/strings and it still sounds like an electric guitar.

Unlike acoustic guitars, there is no sound box which provides the sonorous tonal qualities. What I hear is 'audiophilia' - people who suggest quality from extravagant components where none can be had (like $6000 audio cables).


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I'm sorry but how would the neck provide 'tone'? The string vibrates in the air and there is some vibration of the wood that occurs but nothing very significant for electric guitar (almost negligible even). The sound of the vibrating string is literally 'picked up' by the, er, pickups using electro-magnetic transduction. I've seen people prove this by building guitars with 2x4s, slapping on bridge/nut/pickups/wiring/strings and it still sounds like an electric guitar.

Unlike acoustic guitars, there is no sound box which provides the sonorous tonal qualities. What I hear is 'audiophilia' - people who suggest quality from extravagant components where none can be had (like $6000 audio cables).


Amen to that. We tend to hear what we want to hear. I think that the only parts of the electric guitar that seriously effect the tone are the pups, strings, and body.


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uteowl wrote:
Amen to that. We tend to hear what we want to hear. I think that the only parts of the electric guitar that seriously effect the tone are the pups, strings, and body.


Yep. The body may provide, let's say, 25% of the tone besides the pickups and strings. The neck is about 1/10th the mass of the body (and usually bolted on - there may be more impact from thru-the-body necks one supposes). So the neck imparts maybe 2.5%. Is anybody really gonna tell me that they can hear the difference in tone of 2.5%? That's like taking the Bass/Mid/Treble of your amp and moving the dials 1/4 of one of the 10 levels notched in the dials.

To add: and we're not even talking about the entire neck but simply the difference between full maple and a little less maple with rosewood glued to it.


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Kuroyume wrote:
I'm sorry but how would the neck provide 'tone'? The string vibrates in the air and there is some vibration of the wood that occurs but nothing very significant for electric guitar (almost negligible even). The sound of the vibrating string is literally 'picked up' by the, er, pickups using electro-magnetic transduction. I've seen people prove this by building guitars with 2x4s, slapping on bridge/nut/pickups/wiring/strings and it still sounds like an electric guitar.

Unlike acoustic guitars, there is no sound box which provides the sonorous tonal qualities. What I hear is 'audiophilia' - people who suggest quality from extravagant components where none can be had (like $6000 audio cables).


The strings vibrate through the body and NECK of a guitar.
Even the weight of the hardware makes a difference.


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The strings vibrate through the body and NECK of a guitar.
Even the weight of the hardware makes a difference.


Yes, they do impact resonating vibrations in the wood/hardware which are resonated back to the strings and picked up. But how much of the tone can be attributed to these? I just guesstimated that. The neck is not a major part of the wood involved.

The weight of everything can have an impact, especially on sustain and some of the sympathetic vibrations imparted back to the strings. But how much? Unless you are using lead instead of the steel/chrome hardware, it can't be enough to be noticeable.

Remember that you get variations in tonal quality simply by having the pickups at two or three different locations along the strings' vibrations. These are not influenced by the wood - these are influenced by the strings. And with such a variation, it means that the wood can't possibly be adding more than 50% to the tonal quality (or the pickup positions would be nearly indistinguishable).

Again, if we are generous and give the body/neck/hardware 33% of the tone input, then the neck might provide 3.3 to 4%. That is still so minimal to be insignificant. And you did read my "To add" right? The difference between a full maple neck and a maple neck with a rosewood fretboard is going to be even less (0.5% maybe).

Come on... Stop fooling yourselves...


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I think the biggest difference in sound is to how you adjust your pu's.
Many adjust them very high to the strings. Keep them lower and they
pick up more sound of the body because not only the magnets hear
string vibration but the coil also.
People like Eric Johnson and Paul Reed Smith say that many little things
combined make a big difference.

Peter


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Here'the scoop on the maple vs. rosewood dilemma: If it's your 1st strat or tele it has to be maple-period. It's the most basic and fundamental, not to mention traditional. It's most likelly the reason you want to buy a Fender in the 1st place. You can buy any guitar with rosewood. As someone who owns 4 strats and a tele; 2 maple, 2 rosewood I can only say they are both awesome. The maple does seem to have a brighter sound and the rosewood a warmer tone but with modern technology at your "fingertips" you can dial in any sound you want with either board. The tele however must be maple. If you want a rosewood tele you might as well throw humbuckers in it too because you're gonna loose that twang. So, by now you've figured out that my tele has a maple board. Oh yeah, and Custom Shop Texas Special single coils -oh yeah!


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ya rosewood has a better look to it though . so its all about look and feel .


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uteowl wrote:
Warpfield wrote:
Any thoughts about an ebony fretboard? I've never played on one but heard they were smoother which would seem to be better for bending.


I have an SG with an ebony fretboard. It's the fastest damn axe I've ever played! I've never seen a Fender with ebony.

My Strat has maple, my paul rosewood.

As to the maple neck having a brighter sound - Not from what I've heard.

IMO it's all aesthetics and personal preference. For years I didn't own a Fender but always said that when (or if) I did it would have a maple neck - they just have "the look" for me.


Here's a strat with ebony:

American Deluxe Stratocaster® FMT HSS
Model Number 010-1570-(Color #)
Series American Deluxe Series
Colors (820) Amber,
(852) Tobacco Sunburst,
(Polyurethane Finish)
Body Select Alder with Flame Maple Top
Neck Maple, Modern “C” Shape,
(Satin Polyurethane Finish)
Fingerboard Ebony, 9.5” Radius (241mm)
No. of Frets 22 Medium Jumbo Frets
Pickups 1 Fender® DH-1 Humbucking Pickup (Bridge),
2 Hot Samarium Cobalt Noiseless™ Strat® Pickups (Middle/Neck)
Controls Master Volume (with S-1™ Switch),
Master No-Load Tone Control


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