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Posted: Wed Apr 02, 2008 5:18 pm
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i saw in a prior post of someone looking for the mayer tone....someone said his pick ups are scooped. whats that mean...the poles are arranged a certain way? just wonderin.... :roll:


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Scooped??? That must be new slang for something these days. I've never heard of it.


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That term is new to me also.

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OK, Here you go:

The new John Mayer guitar has Fender Big Dipper pickups in which the mids are scooped out and the bass and treble is boosted.

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I WANT to say the term is used to describe the mids are voiced lower than the bass and treble...

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ca feathers, can you elaborate on what that means? im new to the tech lingo so im tryin to learn what all that means... gilmour strat same to you..whats it mean that the mids are voiced lower?? sorry if these are elementary concepts but like i said i never bothered to learn the technical parts and i guess im payin for it now by looking guitar illiterate :wink:


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Basically it is saying that they lowered the amount of mid range and raised the amount of treble and bass range.

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This refers to the distribution of frequencies across the operating range of the pickups. Bass frequencies are low, treble frequencies are high. The terms treble and bass are borrowed from music notation, wherein, the bass voice or part is generally written on the bass clef and the higher voices, like soprano, are written on the treble clef.

Normally a scoop refers to a dip in frequencies in the mid-range leaving the bass and treble relatively boosted.


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You know how most amps have a "bass", "middle" and "treble" knobs on your amp? Take your bass and treble knobs and turn those up to "10" and put the middle knob and put that about "5"- that's basically what they are doing with the pickups. So the treble and bass frequences are going to be more prominent than the mids. This in theory should create a clearer and more defined tone...

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I understand Stratoholic Thanks :wink:


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Scooped, meaning literally scooped out. Think of Neopolitan Ice-Cream. I love the vanilla and strawberry but I always scoop out the chocolate and throw it away. Bleurgh.

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no it's a good question...anything to spark a good tech dialouge


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What's the point of getting thses pickup when you can do what Gilmour said which is what I do.

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mosvalve wrote:
What's the point of getting thses pickup when you can do what Gilmour said which is what I do.

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All of the components of the guitar which contribute to the tone ultimately become an electrical current generated by those pickups. The amp and everything else we dump into that signal chain generates the ultimate sound. So Mayer prefers to start cooking with a 'scooped' midrange and then feed it into his signal chain and that beast of his that many feel is the holy grail of amps for the rest of the ingredients.

Interestingly enough, if you go back and listen to the Bryant Park Concert when he did "Crossroads" with Clapton, his tone, even with his hybrid 'sun strat' sounded like Clapton dimed, and not Mayer, who generally sounds like SRV to me, both in style and quality.

One thing you can't ever 'scoop' is the hand of the player and that is ultimately where the tone begins and ends.


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mosvalve wrote:
What's the point of getting thses pickup when you can do what Gilmour said which is what I do.

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Listen to zzdoc- he is wise and his advice is good. My advice was to only give you a general idea of what those pickups would sound like. Doc is right- the pickups are what the basic tone Mayer wants to start with. It's a blueprint for what Mayer wants to start out- by just adjusting the amp you are cutting out a whole bunch of tonal possibilities...

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