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Post subject: For dad with aspiring rocker kids
Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 8:58 pm
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Hey dads. I'm looking at some short scale guitars around here for my 4 year old daughter. I figured that it's about time for her to be a full pledge rocker :twisted: My choices are:

* Fender Squire Mini

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* Tanglewood Strat

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Have you had any chance purchase any short scale guitars for your kids? Or maybe to yourself? :lol: Can these guitar be tuned to E? I can also get a good deal with a Squire full size guitar but I dunno if it will benefit her small fingers and arms when we practice.

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 9:45 pm
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Buy the cheapest one with the lowest string action.
I would never start a kid on an accoustic.

Wait till she quits when it hurts to press :lol:
But, what the hey! Maybe you have a child prodigy :wink:

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:30 pm
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Toppscore wrote:
Buy the cheapest one with the lowest string action.
I would never start a kid on an accoustic.

Wait till she quits when it hurts to press :lol:
But, what the hey! Maybe you have a child prodigy :wink:


Thanks for the response Toppscore!

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Buy the cheapest one with the lowest string action.
I would never start a kid on an accoustic.
Wait till she quits when it hurts to press :lol:


The above statement's what exactly I don't want for her to happen prompting me to go with Electric. Quiting early just because she can't press properly the strings! :lol:

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 10:55 pm
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You're going to find that she's not going to want to play fretted notes because of the strings hurting her fingers no matter what you buy.
I've played a few minis and no, they are designed to be tuned to A, not E.

Far better off just leaving your guitar around for em to play

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Drums are the way to go for four year old daughters.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C1dxxP0cLJs&feature=plcp

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Posted: Mon Jun 11, 2012 11:27 pm
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valvestate wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
Buy the cheapest one with the lowest string action. I would never start a kid on an accoustic.
Wait till she quits when it hurts to press :lol:
But, what the hey! Maybe you have a child prodigy :wink:
Thanks for the response Toppscore! The above statement is exactly what I do not want to happen to her, prompting me to go with Electric. Quiting early just because she can't press properly the strings! :lol:
Yes. I tell ALL parents to give them electric guitars with 8's or 9's
and LOW action. Make if fun. I learned first on a Sears Silvertone accoustic
with nylon strings which were hard, then changed to steel strings which was REAL BAD.
I was young and miserable as the wire string accoustic action was too high.
I just did not know any better.

Have fun and bond with the child.
Play, "House of the Rising Sun" or some Bob Dylan songs as a duet.
You'll have a major blast and she will be so encouraged.

Yesterday, I supported my 7th grade nephew who is learning bass in a garage rock band
and going to rock band boot camp. The band played five songs at a local sports pub,
along with three other beginning groups with members from 4th-9th grade.

Most all of the rock songs from all four kid groups played were Classic Rock:
AC/DC, Aerosmith, GunsNRoses, Led Zeppelin, Stones, etc.

I told my sister that I believe the kids were real smart playing songs their parents loved
and could identify themselves. Therefore, the parents would be more willing to be with
the kids at home practice and share approval when parents could actually make sense
and sing along with the young musicians.

This lead to more parent support and more money to buy more rock band camps
and better instruments for their kids.

Don't believe there would be "AS MUCH" support towards the kids if they were practicing to:
Paramore, Skillet, Disturbed, Linkin Park, The Kooks, MGMT, Offspring, etc.

Maybe? Naw, doubt it :lol:

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:47 am
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nikininja wrote:
You're going to find that she's not going to want to play fretted notes because of the strings hurting her fingers no matter what you buy.

Drums are the way to go for four year old daughters.


nah... by the way she reacts with how I play with my guitars and pedals, she's more inclined in following my footsteps 8) .We'll just have to get a comfortable time that she will really be focused on practicing after playing her kiddie toys. In fact, she's inspired with this shredder kid from UK 'Mini band' --> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cpO-0UaHwEE&feature=related :twisted:

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 1:00 am
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Toppscore wrote:
Make if fun.


Toppscore wrote:
Have fun and bond with the child.
Play, "House of the Rising Sun" or some Bob Dylan songs as a duet.
You'll have a major blast and she will be so encouraged.


Toppscore wrote:
Yesteday, I supported my 7th grade nephew who is learning bass in a garage rock band
and going to rock band boot camp.


The words highlighted are actually one my goals with her learning the guitar. For us to have stronger bonding, relationship while she is young, enjoy music and have passion in it just like I do. To completely show my support for her... she's more into dancing and singing but she always want to pick up my guitars and strum it. :wink:

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Posted: Tue Jun 12, 2012 12:02 pm
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these aren't bad
http://www.rondomusic.com/furian342ts.html
http://www.rondomusic.com/hawkmn342ts.html
a tad longer scale than the mini strat so E tuning is a bit more stable and the body size is a bit more normal. but no pink :P

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valvestate wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
Make if fun.
Toppscore wrote:
Have fun and bond with the child.
Play, "House of the Rising Sun" or some Bob Dylan songs as a duet.
You'll have a major blast and she will be so encouraged.
Toppscore wrote:
Yesteday, I supported my 7th grade nephew who is learning bass in a garage rock band
and going to rock band boot camp.
The words highlighted are actually one my goals with her learning the guitar. For us to have stronger bonding, relationship while she is young, enjoy music and have passion in it just like I do. To completely show my support for her... she's more into dancing and singing but she always want to pick up my guitars and strum it. :wink:




So, how is your daughter's rockin' & rollin'??? Toppscore 8)

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:47 am
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I gave my daughter a squier mini strat when she was around 7 yrs old. She liked it fine. I tuned it to E and it was great. You might even like playing it. It sounded good and make you feel like a giant playing it. I picked it up at a pawn shop for like $50.


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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 1:56 pm
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Toppscore wrote:
Buy the cheapest one with the lowest string action.
I would never start a kid on an accoustic.

Wait till she quits when it hurts to press :lol:
But, what the hey! Maybe you have a child prodigy :wink:


That is Nonsense...
Why would you not start a child on an acoustic. Today's acoustics are really nice, well made like instruments should be, you could start her on a small Classical ( nylon strings ) or a Ukelele,
the goal is to pave a pleasant life-long musical journey, developing an appreciation for music, musical notes and their structure, that really should be the first investment, Rock and Roll, perhaps and perhaps not, maybe someday she hears Hilary Hahn or Anne Sophie Mutter or perhaps Badi Assad or Sharon Isbin ( who recently collaborated with Steve Vai who is no slouch to understanding music theory ).

With small hands and fingers, even a small size strat with 008's for strings is still going to be harsh on fingertips, being steel strings, that is a killer to continuing...

I would add that developing the aural sense is equally as important..

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 4:39 pm
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My son had a hard time with the steel strings also (8 at the time) and it made for a not good experience for him. I got him a classical nylon string guitar, and with that he spent way more time with it, so I'm inclined to agree with 53magnatone on this one.

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Posted: Thu Aug 16, 2012 11:31 pm
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Arnold Layne wrote:
My son had a hard time with the steel strings also (8 at the time) and it made for a not good experience for him. I got him a classical nylon string guitar, and with that he spent way more time with it, so I'm inclined to agree with 53magnatone on this one.



Very interesting. Today I sold my 1990 Fender Plus Deluxe Stratocaster to
a local man who'd been collecting amps & guitars since the 1970s.
He decided to by reasonably priced guitars. I told him 1980s & 1990s
would hold their values at today's prices. IMHO, older guitars are over priced.

Anyway, he shared that he wanted to give his collection to his grand children.
A way to help them in many ways. I got to thinkin' I cannot take the
material things with you ~ so, I have decide to give my nephew a Stratocaster
from my collection for his Birthday, next week. He is fourteen, and
has been playing upright bass and electric bass in a garage band and in
school jazz bands, etc. The fingers for little kids and desire and ability
are big factors, IMHO, that can block their progress and enjoyment.

I started off with a wire string acoustic with high action.
I hated that thing (a Sears Silvertone I still have). It hurt my young fingers.
Then I changed to nylon strings, a big improvement.
But, could not get hard rock on nylon, either.
A few years later as an older teen in the 1980s, I got a 1965 Mustang as a gift.
Greatest thing to happen to me as my fingers and cords felt great on that guitar.

IMHO, eight years old is a bit young. But, could be a child genius waiting to bloom :)

Thanks for sharing your story. I will try to see how my nephew likes his new Strat.


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Following is last night's FB interraction with my nephew:

Dude. What kind of six string electric guitars do you own? Not counting bass or acoustic guitars. Do you have a Fender or Fender clone or Stratocaster clone or Telecaster clone?

I only have a horrible epiphone les paul, worth around 100$ haha

Interesting. Why is it "horrible"?

Well, the bridge is all screwed up, the eq's on it dont work very well, its a horrible tone, the only thing I like is it's very easy to play on, but I think the neck is starting to warp, lol
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We shall see if he likes his Fender next week :)
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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 12:57 am
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I bought a nice Squier Strat for my nine-year-old god-daughter, and she loves it. Full size mind you, I tried the smaller Strats but figured she would grow into it so went with a full-sized version. She still has slightly small hands for chords, so we have been doing lead guitar with minor and major scales up and down the neck on one string, and today doing scale patterns across several strings. She is getting really pumped about playing her scales like a 'real' guitarist!

Today in the local music store she had a go at an acoustic guitar and really liked it. She tried both a Yamaha and a Martin 3/4 style, and found the action to be just right. Guess I have to buy her one of those for Xmas coming up.

So yes, never too early to start a young one out. Electric or acoustic, there are lots of good starter guitars for all sizes.


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Posted: Fri Aug 17, 2012 6:38 am
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Toppscore wrote:
Very interesting. Today I sold my 1990 Fender Plus Deluxe Stratocaster to
a local man who'd been collecting amps & guitars since the 1970s.
He decided to by reasonably priced guitars. I told him 1980s & 1990s
would hold their values at today's prices. IMHO, older guitars are over priced

Toppscore 8)


Not to temporarily hijack this thread here..My apologies but.....
Toppscore.......
How in the world do you confirm your conjecture on future guitar values... :?:
While at the same time..." Older Guitars are Overpriced "... you completely dismiss
current supply and demand, which is what drives older guitars values higher than equivalent current models....Amongst other variables....As far as 80's to 90's guitars holding their value, we are talking about a segment of time when CBS owned Fender. Some of those guitars were at best of inconsistent quality since cost cutting was the determining factor.
It's unlikely that this production time can be assessed for quite some time unless you have a Palantir stone. :wink:

You have posted your own opinions on many other threads and that is fine to have an opinion and state it, but it isn't when you state such opinions as facts based on conjecture.
I recall a couple other Forum members calling you on this practice.
If you state something that is unproven and at the very least highly questionable, then it's open for debate or to be debunked. It serves no purpose to anyone especially Forum Newbies to inform them with false info.....
Please try to keep your facts as factual based on solid data. We all have ideas, opinions, theories on the when, where, what and why's but it still is a responsibility that when you join a discussion you are not misleading people on pure conjecture...

That's all I'll say and now back to the OP's thread theme....... :?

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