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Post subject: Waterslides...
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 6:09 am
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Why can we purchased licensed Fender replacement parts such as necks, but we cannot purchase the waterslides that go on them? I can understand serial numbers and country of orgin, but seriously? I spend $600 on a Warmoth neck authorized by Fender, but I cannot add the water slide???

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 6:25 am
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There's been a lot of discussion concerning this DB....you just can't get one from Fender unless you jump through the hoops and show pics of what original Fender neck it is to go on.
If ya wan't to read a bunch of stuff about this do a search on Fender decals...that should keep you busy. :D


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Post subject: Re: Waterslides...
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:20 am
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In a perfect world they would be available, but there are to many counterfeiters to make this a reality.
also the licence allows them to make a physical replica not to bear the mark.

besides I do not get why there is such a strong desire for them to begin with. no matter how nice and accurate a reproduction neck is, it still is not a fender. in my opinion it is up to fender to decide what bears their mark.
if you built guitars, would you want someone placing your name on their product?
its a matter of honor in my opinion.

To me its no different than printing your own federal currency under the intent to never spend it. even if it never leaves you home it its till against the law :roll:

custom decals are so much more fun anyways :wink:

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:42 am
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If that is the reasoning, then why not have Fender sell their own necks?

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Post subject: Re: Waterslides...
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 8:55 am
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maybe its because fender doesn't actually make the replacement parts in house so its easier to supply them in large quantities. also I imagine its much more cost effective to sell a complete instrument than pieces. and if they sold the necks with the mark and all, whats to stop someone from placing it on a warmoth body and calling it a fender guitar?
we may never know the actual reasons but speculation is entertaining :wink:

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 10:12 am
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...and if they sold the necks with the mark and all, whats to stop someone from placing it on a warmoth body and calling it a fender guitar?
we may never know the actual reasons but speculation is entertaining :wink:

Or upgrading a Squier into a Fender simply by throwing a new neck on. Within which case they'd lose tons of profitable "upgrade" guitar sales from the more expensive bit of the catalog.

It's not speculation, it's what various Fender employees have said over the years. And fair enough, really.

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 11:24 am
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I think its safe to say fender will never change their decal policy. and i seriously doubt they will ever start selling replacement necks and body's. there are already enough people parting out tons of fantastic Fenders on ebay :roll:

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Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 2:16 pm
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Ceri wrote:
Or upgrading a Squier into a Fender simply by throwing a new neck on.


I did the opposite with one of my US Strats - it now has an old Korean Squier neck on it, purely as I absolutely loved the feel of it. I'm not precious. :lol:

I will confess that I have used an aftermarket decal set when restoring my old 80's Japanese hardtail Strat - mostly because I was young and stupid and sanded the headstock down to make a 'custom' job in the 90's, and Fender couldn't supply the correct decal when I enquired, nor for that matter seemed even remotely interested in doing so.


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Post subject: Re: Waterslides...
Posted: Wed May 30, 2012 5:41 pm
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somebizarredude wrote:
In a perfect world they would be available, but there are to many counterfeiters to make this a reality.
also the licence allows them to make a physical replica not to bear the mark.

besides I do not get why there is such a strong desire for them to begin with. no matter how nice and accurate a reproduction neck is, it still is not a fender. in my opinion it is up to fender to decide what bears their mark.
if you built guitars, would you want someone placing your name on their product?
its a matter of honor in my opinion.

To me its no different than printing your own federal currency under the intent to never spend it. even if it never leaves you home it its till against the law :roll:
custom decals are so much more fun anyways :wink:


+1, I agree. Too many fakes, why add to the problem? Just buy another guitar.

Geeeezzzzz, they are real cheap now. Why spend $30 to make a $20 counterfeit bill?



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Post subject: Re: Waterslides...
Posted: Thu May 31, 2012 2:41 am
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I think the more important question here is : Who would spend $600 on an aftermarket Warmoth neck ?!?!?! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Waterslides...
Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2012 6:13 pm
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DetroitBlues wrote:
Why can we purchased licensed Fender replacement parts such as necks, but we cannot purchase the waterslides that go on them? I can understand serial numbers and country of orgin, but seriously? I spend $600 on a Warmoth neck authorized by Fender, but I cannot add the water slide???


There are companies out there that sell water slide decals if you want them, but as far as I know they are doing it ilegally.

You really can't blame Fender.


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Post subject: Re: Waterslides...
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 7:37 am
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DetroitBlues wrote:
If that is the reasoning, then why not have Fender sell their own necks?


A good case in point to your question would be to look at Carvin..
You can buy from them necks or bodies or a whole kit, But neither the Kit or the Neck will have a Carvin logo affixed.....
It's a matter of quality control and of proprietary control.
I build and rebuild Strats some Fender, some Squier, but I cannot pass them off as a genuine Fender Strat because it has been rebuilt to what I wanted, I do not have the authority/consent/license to actually build a Fender Stratocaster or Telecaster and then pass it off as such..
It's simple, if you want a detailed explanation I suggest PM'ing ZZ-Doc, he has illustrated the pro's and con's on various threads as well as the legal issues that protect a companies product...

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Post subject: Re: Waterslides...
Posted: Sat Jun 02, 2012 1:16 pm
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Because Fender want you to buy a guitar not a neck. They are not in the instrument making business to save you a few quid. They are only in it to make money for themselves.

As much as whatever bit of paper says Licensed Part. Mighty Mite, Warmoth and whoever else do not make Fender parts.

Thats like saying the cheapo pot metal floyd rose style trem on a Korean Jackson is an actual Floyd Rose made item. It's not. Neither are Warmoth necks Fender necks, no matter the quality. So why would Fender want their logo on something they didn't have anything to do with.

If you want the logo, buy the guitar if it means that much. Custom Shop will fill your requirements should production line not provide what you want.
It all depends on how much you want the logo.

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Post subject: Re: Waterslides...
Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 5:12 am
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somebizarredude wrote:
In a perfect world they would be available, but there are to many counterfeiters to make this a reality.
also the licence allows them to make a physical replica not to bear the mark.

besides I do not get why there is such a strong desire for them to begin with. no matter how nice and accurate a reproduction neck is, it still is not a fender. in my opinion it is up to fender to decide what bears their mark.
if you built guitars, would you want someone placing your name on their product?
its a matter of honor in my opinion.

To me its no different than printing your own federal currency under the intent to never spend it. even if it never leaves you home it its till against the law :roll:

custom decals are so much more fun anyways :wink:



I agree. Well stated.
Why allow copycats to exist.

Think of all the MLB NBA NHL NFL PGA & Playboy logos that get added onto apparel.

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Posted: Mon Jun 04, 2012 1:37 pm
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Steve-oh-no wrote:
I think the more important question here is : Who would spend $600 on an aftermarket Warmoth neck ?!?!?! :lol:

These are some of the best necks out there and you can order anything you want.


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