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Post subject: Re: Reducing tension on my stratocaster trem
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:21 am
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wahwahman wrote:
Thanks for your responses guys. The thing is alot of the players i like to listen to have a flat tremolo but they still do the occasional dive bum etc. I'm not trying to sound like jeff beck at all. I just want the option to use it if i see fit for effect in a solo etc.

I've had the guitar previously (when i brought it) for 10's. the bridge flat to the guitar. and just a little less tension on the trem. That's all i'm trying to achieve.

I'm just not sure how easy it is to do that

It's as easy as I said. At least the adjusting part of it. Staying in tune is another matter. I'd just say try it the way you want. If it doesn't pan out, you can always try another way. I prefer mine set just like that, but as I said I really don't use the trem. I prefer using my fingers. As bluesky said there are always compromises. What I did was set my guitar up the way I wanted, but I also had to adapt my playing to the guitar. Now I'm content. I do all of my own setting up. I know what I want better than anybody else. Good luck


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Post subject: Re: Reducing tension on my stratocaster trem
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 7:57 am
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I used 3 springs turned the screws in on the plate to have if flat. But I do not use the trem in my case. Just experiment alittle. You will probably not get the best of both worlds. I am actually going to put the wood block to block the trem. Probably if I used the trem I would have a second guitar for it.
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Post subject: Re: Reducing tension on my stratocaster trem
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 8:57 am
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wahwahman wrote:
I'm here asking for support. Not asking how to do a you tube search.

If you actually look at what i said in response to your post it may somehow make sense to you.

I had the guitar set up 6 months ago. I cannot take it back to the tech now. Now that's not rocket science.

I'm asking for support from those willing to give it rather than the usual rubbish:

"search on you tube!"
"this threads already been done"

and all the other rubbish people like to fob people off with.

This is a Fender support forum.

I'm asking what the repercussions are for me doing such a thing and if i do make those amendments - what else do i need to take into consideration.

I really appreciate all the constructive responses, i just can't stand it when people bother to reply and all they do is get funny or refer you to youtube. If that's the case.... don't bother responding or just go and do what people like you normally do... and go arrange your sock drawer in colour order.

Thank you


Several people have provided explantions on how to do what you want. Your own words indicate that you are still unsure of the process. OK. So for whatever reason you "can't" take the guitar back to the tech who set it up in the first place. Fine. Excuse me for thinking that if words aren't making an impression on you, that maybe pictures might. Rest assured that I won't be wasting anymore time worrying about you or your guitar. Good luck. Sounds like you need it.

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Post subject: Re: Reducing tension on my stratocaster trem
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:02 am
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wahwahman wrote:
I had the guitar set up 6 months ago. I cannot take it back to the tech now.


The idea was not to take it back, the idea was to take it there *again*.

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Post subject: Re: Reducing tension on my stratocaster trem
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 9:04 am
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Amerigo wrote:
wahwahman wrote:
I had the guitar set up 6 months ago. I cannot take it back to the tech now.


The idea was not to take it back, the idea was to take it there *again*.

Cheers

David


Exactly. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Reducing tension on my stratocaster trem
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 10:03 am
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I apologize for my response. I appreciate your help. I've just been under server pressure to get this sorted before a big gig.

I didn't mean to offend.

Thank you to everyone for your help


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Post subject: Re: Reducing tension on my stratocaster trem
Posted: Sun Apr 15, 2012 2:37 pm
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I know it seems like it, but I don't think anyone's giving you a hard time. I'd like to address your questions with some useful answers, but you have a few errors within your questions, which tells me you don't have a basic working knowledge of how to do a setup.

You have a couple viable options:
1. Have a tech set it the way you want it.
But you can't....I get that
2. Learn how to do it yourself.
Until you have a basic understanding of how Leo's synchronized trem works, there's no band-aid approach that anyone can offer to solve your issues. Get a good Strat setup book and learn how to do it. Sorry if you don't like that answer, but I'm the owner of a Strat with a 2 point trem set to float, and you cannot find a guitar with better tuning stability than mine, with or without a trem. You don't like the answers you're getting, but with a couple days of studying, you could be assured of having an instrument that does what you want.


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Post subject: Re: Reducing tension on my stratocaster trem
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 12:47 am
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wahwahman wrote:
I apologize for my response. I appreciate your help. I've just been under server pressure to get this sorted before a big gig.


If you gig, you really have to learn these things. Read "Guitar Player Repair Guide" by Dan Erlewine. How was your gig? Everything went OK?

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Post subject: Re: Reducing tension on my stratocaster trem
Posted: Mon Apr 16, 2012 2:38 am
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This was exactly the reason i came onto here. I've looked at plenty of youtube videos and online forums. But where better to get advice than a Fender support forum. I wanted to know how to do it myself. Especially without the expense of having to go to a guitar tech again and not get the result i wanted.

Anyway i took the advice i got from all you guys. I bit the bullet and just removed 2 of the springs (because 4 was enough) and i put them in /l\ position. I had to make minor adjustments to the intonation. The result.... perfect.

It is so much easier to use the trem arm now. The bends.... well i have to bend a fraction higher, but not so high that is noticeably doesn't stay in tune when i do double bends. which is fine for me. And it stays in tune nicely even with a few dive bombs.

The guitar always had great tuning stability.

I've always known i've needed to learn how to do this, which is exactly why i think these sorts of forums are fantastic. It's better to ask people on here for their experiences and solutions than it is to watch a video. There's no feedback that way and therefore no channel of communication etc.

Anyway guys, i really appreciate your help. And i will be passing on my experiences with others who have similar problems.

I think because the guitar was already set flush to the body and all i did was take out to springs, it somehow felt fine. maybe i'm just lucky. but it felt exactly as it should in my eyes from when i first brought it.

Cheers guys


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