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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Mon Apr 09, 2012 9:32 pm
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Post a picture of this guitar. Maybe you don't have a Fender Stratocaster.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:26 am
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otis66 wrote:
Post a picture of this guitar. Maybe you don't have a Fender Stratocaster.


I assume you posted that before reading his last post where he says he bought it new from Guitar Center....unless you accusing GC of selling fakes...!!

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:44 am
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If its a POS, Why did you buy it?
Never buy a used instrument without giving it a thorough test run.
Why did you pay more than the cost of new for used?
Sounds like you got screwed.
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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 9:19 am
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jnastyNE wrote:
If its a POS, Why did you buy it?
Never buy a used instrument without giving it a thorough test run.
Why did you pay more than the cost of new for used?
Sounds like you got screwed.
Common sense is not a flower that grows in every garden.


Apparently the ability to read has not yet blossomed in your garden. I bought the guitar new.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:30 am
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Just so I'm on the right page with this:

You bought the Strat new in 2006, fell out of playing, stored it for years (I'm assuming at least 4-5 years then since the guitar is now roughly 6 years old), then found it had buzzing frets when you took it out of storage. You then tried to correct the issue yourself and eventually had a tech do some work on to fix what had been done, but the original problems still exist.

Storing a guitar for years is almost always going to do something to the playability - unless you've got a Steinberger or Parker Fly or something like that made completely (or partially) of composite materials. Did you store the guitar with strings on it under tension or did you slack the strings? You mentioned "climate controlled" but what kind of climate do you live in - cold or warm? Dry or humid? Did you move during this time and have it in any other kind of storage? All of these can do all kinds of things to the guitar.

I'm not going to jump on the "defend Fender" bandwagon here but in all honesty do you remember how it played when you bought it from GC in 2006? Were these issues present then, or did you discover them when you brought the guitar out of mothballs? If it is the latter case, then the guitar can't be called a POS because of how you stored it. I've got an old Fender (a Lead II) that I did the same thing to - quit playing, stored it under the bed, but moved it across 2 states, 3 cities, and 5 apartments before I got it back out of storage after 5-6 years. Guess what? The action was completely jacked, no one I took it to could get it completely back, so now I only use it for slide. Would I call it "a POS from Fender"? No, all the issues were how it was treated and stored during the period of inactivity.

You're on the right track by taking it to a good tech - but the tech has to know the entire story of how it has been stored over the years. Then you can hopefully work with him to get it where you want it, but with all Fenders you're walking a fine line between low action and fret buzz - which granted is worse with vintage-style 7.25" radius models like that old 1979 Lead II of mine than modern 9.5" radius models like your 2006 Strat.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:43 am
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micjuslin wrote:
Apparently the ability to read has not yet blossomed in your garden. I bought the guitar new.


It appears as though this flower has yet to bloom in your garden as well, as you should have reviewed the warranty/returns/service policy of Fender and the store that you purchased this guitar from. This only confirms the lack of the common sense flower as well, as you should have returned/exchanged said instrument years ago, instead of waiting to 7 years to vent your frustrations for what you claim is a manufacturer's defect.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 11:27 am
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micjuslin wrote:
Update:

I took the guitar down to the guy who did the work. I definitely overadjusted the truss rod (total noob error) but once I saw a few people on the board telling what I had done I backed it off before any major damage could be done. He said the curve of the neck appeared to be fine and he did a little more fret work which helped the problem but didn't solve it all the way so I'm going to bring back again this weekend to hopefully square away the problem once and for all.

Bender 4 Life I bought the strat new at Guitar Center in Modesto back in 2006. I kinda fell out of playing for a while so it sat in the case under my bed for a LONG time. It was always stored indoors at normal comfortable temperatures but do you think that could still effects how it plays?

DetriotBlues that could be a source of the problem. The fret buzz seems to go away if I pick lighter so maybe I need to develope my "strat" touch again. I'm pretty out of guitar shape at this point.

Thanks to everyone who gave me some advice, much obliged. Also I have to admit that the thread name is a little too severe. I was just frustrated, my bad.

I can understand the frustration I also had a 2006 and it was a darn fine guitar.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 12:27 pm
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You know photos of what you are describing about the truss rod nut would be helpful... And turning the rod a couple of turns counter clockwise is NOT going to warp the neck...

I think after a talk with your luthier, we should have a resolution... because there is not much we can do for you without looking at the guitar...

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 1:06 pm
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Sir,
You presented this thread all wrong. If you are really looking for help/suggestions, don't drizzle the facts out over 3 pages of comments and expect meaningful responses.
After rereading this thread, this what your first post should have been:

"I bought a new Fender in 2006 and quickly lost interest. It has been in storage for years. I recently decided I would give guitar another shot, and picked it back up. The instrument has problems with buzzing. What do you suggest I do to resolve this issue?"

If you had presented these fact first, the response from everyone would be to get the instrument properly set up by a tech. Had you made this thread and included this information before you paid for a professional fret dressing, you could have saved some money. No one is going to blast you for not knowing how to play or maintain a guitar and asking for advice. People will blast you for coming on a Fender forum and saying "Fenders are POS".
First, learn how to play guitar before critiquing Fender instruments on a Fender forum.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:04 pm
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You're right, I totally SHOULD learn how to play the guitar. It would really help me out. :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 5:55 pm
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Tuff room!! (thread title notwithstanding)

Just a couple of simple comments and Hey Youse!

Considering playing style first and formost----If you're a heavy/hard player and you're using light gauge strings......probably gonna get some buzz.

After that-----a couple of general hints-

If the strings buzz open-----the nut is the first place to check. Could be low-or--the angle could be cut wrong-or--the cut too tight. If it isnt the nut....check the bridge for burrs...loose saddles... Also.....check the pickup height....those are magnets in there and if they get too close.....buzzy kinda sound.
Generally speaking if the strings buzz open.....its NOT the neck bow that is in play unless its really extreme.

The other couple of hints are (think about it!) If the strings buzz at the low end (1st 5 or 6 frets) you probably don't have enough relief in the neck, i.e.its too tight, i.e. its too straight,i.e. ya need to loosen it.

If the strings buzz at the high end of the neck (12th fret and up) the neck probably has too much relief, i.e. underbowed, i.e. truss is too loose, i.e. it needs tightening.

If it buzzes all over, or just in one place or a couple of particular places......NOW let's talk about frets.

Hope that helps a bit.

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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 6:52 pm
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I agree that a good set up gets rid of fret buzz, but what about some other factor, like the bridge saddles?

The E String on my EC Strat has buzzed for years and it's not the neck. It has to do with the bridge. I just haven't gotten around to getting fixxed.


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:03 pm
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micjuslin wrote:
You're right, I totally SHOULD learn how to play the guitar. It would really help me out. :lol:

It would help you out a great deal, kind sir. Please pardon my assumption, as I don't know any actual guitar players that have MIA Fenders stashed under their beds that have not been touched for years.
Start out with scales and simple progressions and work your way up. Best of luck!


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 8:51 pm
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What's a scale? :D


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Post subject: Re: Fender American Made POS
Posted: Tue Apr 10, 2012 10:40 pm
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jnastyNE wrote:
I don't know any actual guitar players that have MIA Fenders stashed under their beds that have not been touched for years.


Not under the bed but hasn't been out of the case in over a year.

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