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What should I choose?
AVRI '62 Stratocaster 30%  30%  [ 8 ]
Classic Player Strat + a new amp 70%  70%  [ 19 ]
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Post subject: Re: Hard decision?
Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 12:55 pm
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mhowell wrote:
Most of the stuff we hear about tube amps is myth anyway.


Care to name some examples of these myths and dispell them?

TO the OP, if you're looking at the AVRI Strat, I would also suggest having a look at the Hot Rod 60's Strat as well since you might find you prefer the flatter radius fretboard...

...also I would recommend taking a look at an SRV Strat which has a 12" board like you'll be used to.

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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:29 pm
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Myth? WOW! :shock:


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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 1:58 pm
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Go with the the American it will hold its value but it's worth trawling the shops there's probably a second hand one out there with you're name on it and with the economy there going cheap ! and for a nice vintage sound try a Vox AC30 maybe.


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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:08 pm
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AdrianJordanMusic wrote:
mhowell wrote:
TO the OP, if you're looking at the AVRI Strat, I would also suggest having a look at the Hot Rod 60's Strat as well since you might find you prefer the flatter radius fretboard...

...also I would recommend taking a look at an SRV Strat which has a 12" board like you'll be used to.


I absolutely love the 9,5" fretboard, as it's good for bending and playing chords too. I'm not a big fan of my 12" radius and the 7,25" one seems to be a little bit uncomfortable for soloing.
I'm a girl with not too big hands, so I prefer thin neck profiles (C or modern C are just perfect for me).
AVRI '62 has a nice "C" neck, but its radius is 7,25".
Hot Rod '62 has my favourite 9,5" fretboard. The only problem is that I don't like its thick neck.

Please, help me! Which guitar would be a better choice?

Ah, I would forget to add that there are few music stores in my neighbourhood and probably I'll have no possibility to try both guitars.


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Posted: Wed Apr 11, 2012 2:33 pm
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Kyrzik....try an American Standard Strat,the necks are fairly thin with a 9.5 radius....at least the ones I've owned and played in the past were,I guess they're still made that way.
I own a '62 AVRI and a '62 AVRI Hot Rod,you're right,the Hot Rod has the thickest neck of any Strat that I own,currently around 7 of them.
The 7.25 radius on the '62 and '57 aren't that bad,people knock them all the time about bending issues,...,bending isn't an issue to an experienced player,of which there seems to be more of a shortage of around here these days. :mrgreen:
You might want to try a used '57 Reissue with a maple neck if you're still looking,I have two of those also...the V necks are not that thick and they feel pretty nice,keep an open mind about the 7.25 and forget about all the big boys who can't play them :lol: ...you might like it....there's lots of guitarists I know who have small hands that can bend the fire out of them and solo like pros. :wink:


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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 11:47 am
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Neither American or MIM hold their values.... It's really going to boil down to do you need that extra fret and a sticker that says Made In America?

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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 2:15 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
Kyrzik....try an American Standard Strat,the necks are fairly thin with a 9.5 radius....at least the ones I've owned and played in the past were,I guess they're still made that way.
I own a '62 AVRI and a '62 AVRI Hot Rod,you're right,the Hot Rod has the thickest neck of any Strat that I own,currently around 7 of them.
The 7.25 radius on the '62 and '57 aren't that bad,people knock them all the time about bending issues,...,bending isn't an issue to an experienced player,of which there seems to be more of a shortage of around here these days. :mrgreen:
You might want to try a used '57 Reissue with a maple neck if you're still looking,I have two of those also...the V necks are not that thick and they feel pretty nice,keep an open mind about the 7.25 and forget about all the big boys who can't play them :lol: ...you might like it....there's lots of guitarists I know who have small hands that can bend the fire out of them and solo like pros. :wink:

Thanks a lot for your help!
I have one more question. Are the V necks comfortable for players, who keep their thumb pressed against the back of the neck (and don't wrap it)?
I suffer from the lack of guitars with various neck profiles in the local guitar shop...


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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:11 pm
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Retroverbial wrote:
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Most of the stuff we hear about tube amps is myth anyway.


Hundreds of thousands of working professionals vehemently disagree.

Arjay


Really? Hundreds of thousands?

Do you believe that tubes inherently distort differently than transistors?

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AdrianJordanMusic wrote:
mhowell wrote:
Most of the stuff we hear about tube amps is myth anyway.


Care to name some examples of these myths and dispell them?

TO the OP, if you're looking at the AVRI Strat, I would also suggest having a look at the Hot Rod 60's Strat as well since you might find you prefer the flatter radius fretboard...

...also I would recommend taking a look at an SRV Strat which has a 12" board like you'll be used to.


Myth: Tube amps are better that solid state amps.
Truth: There are good and bad tube amps as well as good and bad solid state amps. Which is best is subjective.

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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:23 pm
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AdrianJordanMusic wrote:
mhowell wrote:
Most of the stuff we hear about tube amps is myth anyway.


Care to name some examples of these myths and dispell them?

TO the OP, if you're looking at the AVRI Strat, I would also suggest having a look at the Hot Rod 60's Strat as well since you might find you prefer the flatter radius fretboard...

...also I would recommend taking a look at an SRV Strat which has a 12" board like you'll be used to.


One of my favorites:

Myth: A tube watt is louder than a transistor watt.
Truth: A watt is a watt.

Differences in apparent loudness can be caused from all kinds of things. Speaker efficiency, clipping attributes, frequency response, etc...

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mhowell wrote:
AdrianJordanMusic wrote:
mhowell wrote:
Most of the stuff we hear about tube amps is myth anyway.


Care to name some examples of these myths and dispell them?

TO the OP, if you're looking at the AVRI Strat, I would also suggest having a look at the Hot Rod 60's Strat as well since you might find you prefer the flatter radius fretboard...

...also I would recommend taking a look at an SRV Strat which has a 12" board like you'll be used to.


One of my favorites:

Myth: A tube watt is louder than a transistor watt.
Truth: A watt is a watt.

Differences in apparent loudness can be caused from all kinds of things. Speaker efficiency, clipping attributes, frequency response, etc...
A watt has nothing to do with loudness .A watt is power consumption.Loudness is measured by Db or sound pressure.A 60 watt tube amp isnt as loud as a 60 watt ss amp, it just consumes the same amount of power. :roll:


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Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 3:46 pm
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budglo wrote:
mhowell wrote:
mhowell wrote:
Most of the stuff we hear about tube amps is myth anyway.



One of my favorites:

Myth: A tube watt is louder than a transistor watt.
Truth: A watt is a watt.

Differences in apparent loudness can be caused from all kinds of things. Speaker efficiency, clipping attributes, frequency response, etc...
A watt has nothing to do with loudness .A watt is power consumption.Loudness is measured by Db or sound pressure.A 60 watt tube amp isnt as loud as a 60 watt ss amp, it just consumes the same amount of power. :roll:


Don't be silly. A watt is used to describe the energy output of a receiver or amplifier used to power a loudspeaker. I can take a 6V6 push-pull amp and replace the tubes with 6G6 tubes and the watts as well as the loudness will be reduced.

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AdrianJordanMusic wrote:
mhowell wrote:
Most of the stuff we hear about tube amps is myth anyway.


Care to name some examples of these myths and dispell them?

TO the OP, if you're looking at the AVRI Strat, I would also suggest having a look at the Hot Rod 60's Strat as well since you might find you prefer the flatter radius fretboard...

...also I would recommend taking a look at an SRV Strat which has a 12" board like you'll be used to.


Myth: Tube amps have more even harmonics.
Truth: Check any textbook on the subject - push-pull stages attenuate even harmonics.

Most popular tube amps, - princeton, deluxe, bassman, most marshalls, etc - have push-pull output stages. Then again, so do most solid state amps so maybe it's a wash.

A notable exception, but not the only one, is the single ended Champ. The Super Champ is push-pull.

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mhowell wrote:
AdrianJordanMusic wrote:
mhowell wrote:
Most of the stuff we hear about tube amps is myth anyway.


Care to name some examples of these myths and dispell them?

TO the OP, if you're looking at the AVRI Strat, I would also suggest having a look at the Hot Rod 60's Strat as well since you might find you prefer the flatter radius fretboard...

...also I would recommend taking a look at an SRV Strat which has a 12" board like you'll be used to.


Myth: Tube amps have more even harmonics.
Truth: Check any textbook on the subject - push-pull stages attenuate even harmonics

Most popular tube amps, - princeton, deluxe, bassman, most marshalls, etc - have push-pull output stages. Then again, so do most solid state amps so maybe it's a wash.

A notable exception, but not the only one, is the single ended Champ. The Super Champ is push-pull.
Troll much?


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Post subject: Re: Hard decision?
Posted: Thu Apr 12, 2012 8:36 pm
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You're hijacking the girl's thread with your rubbish mhowell,we can see your lack of knowledge on tube amps elsewhere..... :roll:
back on track.... :mrgreen:
Krzik,the V neck profile on the '57 RI I own is not real noticable except on the back near the first few frets,and then it's not really pronounced,it wouldn't be too sharp feeling anywhere on the neck,it would be what I'd call a shallow V,but you owe it to yourself to try as many as you can before you spend a lot of money.
I understand the problem of not having many to pick from....that's always discouraging when you're looking for that special guitar.
Good luck finding it! :D


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