I would have expected more checking around the bridge cavity. I'd like to see pictures around the neck socket where I'd expect to see stress cracks in the finish.

I'd like to know how you know this is in fact a '65 body. Aside from the paint stick mark and the control cavity worm hole, is there something a'miss?

Take no offense, but from all the fakes being passed off, it would not surprise me one bit to see someone testing their counteirfiting abilities on this site. And quite frankly, I've seen that color a lot recently on nitro refinished strat bodies on ebay.

Hi I don't post as much here as I used to, but I read your post a while ago, and have been thinking on it before replying.
ok My 2 cents on some of this;
- I wonder if your guitar was one of the olympic white guitars that didn't originally get a clear coat. This wasn't uncommon in that era. These guitars were much less prone to yellowing. it seems whatever reacts to UV and goes amber causing the yellow, is also what glows under blacklight,

depending on how much pigment (solids,) were in the lacquer the pigment would have masked th yellowing of the lacquer in the colour coat to the naked eye, but it still could have upped it's levels of whatever it is that fluoresces in lacquer , through UV exposure, enough to glow but without visibly altering it's tint. so possibly someone went over the original colour coat with a tinted clear at a much later date.
-this could possibly explain why there are no fade lines around where the pickguard lies, a uniform yellowing even where the guard protected the colour coat.


-red in the neck pocket could be microbes or other contamination in the wood (could have been slightly damaged or dirty at one point.


TLDR version, original paint was done without clear coat, at some (possibly much,) later date a newer UV resistant tinted clear coat was put over the original finish to mimic the yellowing that guitars of the era that DID ave clear coats.


edit: an addendum here too, the white coat at this time could very well have been acrylic lacquer, and not nitrocellulose, and thus way less prone to yellowing. Fender still used Nitrocellulose exclusively for the clear coats, but the colour coats were auto colours, and what was readily available, often different brands.

the more i think about it the more i believe the guitar was not 'stripped' but the original paint was covered with tinted clear, by someone who liked the look.

IMO either an altered finish, or an outright fake. either way, i can't see any way that could still be considered an original finish

also the blacklight test is only useful for looking for inconsistencies in a paint job to look for repairs. it is pretty much useless to tell the age of a guitar.

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I'm no expert on vintage Strats, but it may just be staining due to the environment the guitar has been in. Walter Trout's main Strat is very old ( don't remember what year) and on a concert DVD I have, he said it was white originally, but after years of playing in smokey bars it has turned almost completely brown.

he's not questioning the guitaqr yellowing per se, but rather that the yellowing is consistent under the pickguard. this tellsme that the aging, at least, is artificially applied.

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I have seen this so many times in the past. Someone comes on to the Forum, asked a question and then acts like their feelings get hurt, or accuse the "Forum" of being this or that and then they never come back and read the posts people left them and make any comments about the suggestions we have left. Kind of like talking to cyber air if we aren't address him....

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Maybe his feelings were hurt. Can't help but think of the model paint comment. lol. Maybe what I suggested in my former post hit close to home. I believe what we were looking at was a thick coat of this stuff. http://www.ebay.com/itm/BUTTERSCOTCH-Ti ... 2315e850b9 Followed with a thin coat of this stuff. http://www.ebay.com/itm/Clear-SATIN-Nea ... 23141830f5

haha,hey I use to paint alot of car models when I was a lad and numerous wood furniture also!

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I have a '65 Strat but unfortunately in the mid 70s with no inkling of what harm I would be doing I let a friend talk me into getting the somewhat roadworn body refinished.I'm sorry I can't be much help with most of your queries but one thing that I do know is that it is possible to do a paint job without getting paint into the screw holes by plugging them with tooth picks or finishing nails of the same diameter.Good luck with it.
@ Russ,I find that most people on this forum are quite friendly and extremely helpful, however there would no point in anyone posting if they can't contribute anything helpful. I must say that I was pleased to see you have a biblical quote in your signature but I'm somewhat disappointed by your accusatory statements about most most forum members being unfriendly.That kind of response isn't what I'd expect from someone who professes to have Christian beliefs-"Judge not not as ye be not judged."Sound familiar?

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Excuse me? Who do you think you're talking to there? You're new and you don't know who's who here so it would be best for you to keep quiet until you do. It would also be best if you took down your signature line and took a close look at the rules of conduct for this site. If should decide you don't like those rules then you can just go and find somewehere else to beak off about things you are ignorant of all in the name of Jesus. Political and religious comments are discouraged here by order of management. Stupid comments will be judged by the membership. Yours was identified.

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Just think of how awesome a guitar player you could have been by now if you had only spent the last 10 years practicing instead of obsessing over pickups and roasted maple necks.

I'm no finish expert but I used to do a lot of finishes when I still did my airbrush stuff in the 90s.

Here's my 2 cents:

1. PU cavities aged in the middle but not entirely. This indicates that it has been a paintjob afterwards (assuming that the body could have been laying around many many years unassembled) and looks exactly like spraying in the typical angle but without taking care about the corners --> = paint in the middle only.
You often see that same look on 60s Strats with sunburst finish because of the darker burst sprayed over, but not on white Strats.

2. If played and assembled, there wouldn't be noticeable aging UNDER THE PICKGUARD at all! At least there would be a color difference! Even my 1986 oly white Strat with poly finish has that already.

3. There's paint in the trem screw holes, pretty evenly spread along the threads. I admit, I can't see paint in most other screw holes though.

4. Neck pocket: very clear color difference on right compared to left side.

5. Picture 3, trem cavity: looks like a tiny bit of overspray at the inner edge of the cavity. Adain: no aging would occure under the trem plate. The same overspray can be seen just below the edges of the PU routes!

6. Picture 1 & 2: lower horn, curve to the neck: looks lighter colored. This happens, if amateurs try to finish sharp rounded edges. The finish got too thin, hence the previous white shines through.

7. With black light, all of a sudden there's a clearly visible pickguard-shaped difference in color! Why? Well, that happens, if you spray tinted clear coat over a body which already shows slight ageing. At light, the previously lighter colored, not aged area is not visible but with black light, lighter colored finish under the clear coat will be enhanced/better visible.

If you ask me: this is not the original finish, it has been refinished with strongly tinted clear coat and the illuminating effect is caused by paint particles breaking the waves of light differently than the clear coat itself, generating a kind of prism effect, especially if it is not mixed properly.

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Guitslinger You are absolutely right,before I posted those comments I grew impatient and frustrated on the response time,I am use to another smaller forum that responds quicker.I didnt mean to pass judgement on everyone I was disrespected on my first posts and took it out on most but now I am finding more friendly and helpful people on here now,thanks for the acknowledgement it is appreciated

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Line6 Spider ll
Crate Kx 15


Digitech GNX1
Boss DS-1 pedal

@ BMW

Who am I,Who are You,aren't we all equal?
Well as far as my signature is concerned I will be honored if someone expells me from this forum because I proclaimed Jesus is Lord! because this is what I believe and will not back down and I believe most on here are christians even You, but we all have evil in us and are not perfect so I will now end this dispute and let go the hostility I have towards You and hope You can do the same

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2008 PRS SE Singlecut

Marshall MgHD100FX single
Line6 Spider ll
Crate Kx 15


Digitech GNX1
Boss DS-1 pedal

So, on this board we are all equal in your mind. I beg to differ but it's a free country. You have the right to be wrong if you want to. You have yet earned no respect here and you're on the path to continuing with that tradition. The other thing bothers me more, though. You take pride in going against the wishes of the board management and the wishes of the majority of the memerbship who do not like to see people making comments that stir up trouble. You would be proud to get kicked off this board. I believe that makes you worthy of close scrutiny. Thank you for the heads up.

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Just think of how awesome a guitar player you could have been by now if you had only spent the last 10 years practicing instead of obsessing over pickups and roasted maple necks.

I will suggest the moderators please close this thread as it clearly is going nowhere.