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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:29 am
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greenheart wrote:
There was never any harassing via phone and email. that is all fiction.
I have personally put my hands on over ten guitars in the firestorm finish, and taken several apart.
I own two.
I also have an original placard of the paint sample that was sent to a handfull of elite fender dealers in 1990. It was a custom order color.
I have brought my guitars to one of the worlds most renowned luthiers.... and he has never seen one.
These are very rare guitars.
All of the people that I have met at several different high-end guitar shops, have never seen one.
But I can tell that the one on this thread is a fake, from a thousand miles away.
Look at the red. It's not even close.
All of these guitars were individual works of art.
Each one is slightly different.
None of the real ones that I have seen look like the one pictured in this thread.
That is why I posted the picture of the body that still smelled like paint, and had a 1991 stamp in the neck pocket, between two real strats in the firestorm finish.
And that body that smelled like fresh paint looks exactly like the one pictured on this thread.


Talk Talk Talk.
Stand up to your statement of fake or fraud.
Greenhard, you spend time chitting and chatting.
This is Fender you are discussing. Be serious instead of stalking others.
The laws are broken according to ten pages of your type.
Go to the cops or feds and get some action going instead of softball baby tossing
as you do. All words.

I don't want fakes on the market, do you? Take your "claimed" knowledge
and get the ball rolling . . . . . sorry, you are a softballer, right?
We need someone to straighten things out. Contact Fender and make it happen.
Instead of stalking and claiming - play some "HARDball" GreenHARD!!!


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:37 am
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Drew365 wrote:
I'm not a pro, and Greenhearts approach and presentation leave something to be desired. But it seems awfull strange that bodies with rare finishes are showing up with no necks or electronics.


Maybe it takes "something to be desired" as charming and polite won't "get it done".
Obviously, Greeeeenie has thought behind is softball cry baby tactics.
Right or wrong, WE want to know if there are fakes, right?
So, if Greenhard is waking up the community, good for him, rude and rough as it is.

I wonder where Greenhard has taken up this issue?
Greenhard, show us the places you've thrown your softie-balls.
Did they make a difference? Or just bounce off?
Where are the other forums or blogs or copies of the legal papers?
Is this the first crying shoulder you have found?


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 3:50 am
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shweeson wrote:
Greenhearts appoach and presentation is SPOT ON.....I commend his courage to try and stop this fake presentation.....It is clear to see now after viewing all the evidence that the fakes being produced are very poor ones. And it appears obvious that Xhefri has a fake firestorm and a fake icestorm on this forum and his website.....kinda confusing that mr. stratocaster expert can't even produce an authentic firestorm......Bottom line is....You can't call it a "Firestorm Finish" if it is not authentic.....you have to call it a "firefox" or something else--as far as the ''icestorm'' is concerned....it does not exist...do your research .....stop being a disgrace to THE BEST ARTWORK FENDER HAS EVER PRODUCED....and all those other fake guitars are also a disgrace.....graffiti yellow ...lake placid blue...blah ...blah...blah ---as you know it is highly illegal to sell fake guitars....especially in the high dollar range.....it's probably not a good idea to display fake fender items on a website....
Just a thought from a very serious fender collector
--my suggestion to all collectors and musicians ....never buy a guitar of this era with a rare finish without having it checked out by a PRO...YOU DON'T FIND THEM AT GARAGE SALES...... greenheart has more knowledge of the firestorm finish than anyone on this forum.
"Go put your work clothes on....go and leave your mark"


Is this the "All Baby Whinny" complaint?
Know something, show it!!

Put a webpage together with ten legit Firestorms and ten legit Fakes.
Show the common correct features and show the fake flaws.

Do something besides taking sides ~ both sides are total softballers crying on a forum.

Serious? Post a site or go to the law. Let's find the offenders.
Who is making the fakes? Do you think Xeef is making them ALL???
Maybe Xeef is mistaken or no correct. Make things right.
Do something about it. Cry baby.


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:13 am
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AaronK wrote:
I would have to say as a complete outsider, and someone who knows nothing about Firestorm Finishes that, just reading this thread from beginning to end, that I would have to side with the opinions of "GreenHeart" and "Shweeson", as they have some pretty hard facts and evidence.


You can't be serious. No one is denying that fakes are made or that greenheart may have got one. The problem is they came on here making accusations that Xhefri was somehow connected to the fake and was involved in trying to con more people into buying fakes. Then they tried to convince everyone that as rare as this finish is that greenheart personnally has five copies and has access to even more. Then when Xhefri did not give in to their demands, they just got silly with their ridiculous personal attacks.

Xhefri is a respected member here and a great source of knowledge on Fender Plus guitars and has answered the claims of theses guys to my satisfaction. If you want to continue to beat the dead horse...

I gotta go practice so I can learn the solo to Free Bird and watch some Swamp People before flipping burger's today. :roll:


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:19 am
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tyronne wrote:
Well the pics don't even match so I can't see what the argument is over.
As for Xhefri, I'll trust him over someone who has under a dozen posts under different alias. Until proven otherwise. Probably time to get Brad involved.

Good to chime in your opinion. Another softballer.
Do you care about fakes? Do something rather than chit chat.
I want fakes off the market. I want them easy to identify.
Create a site for all firestormers to register and compare notes.
Maybe some or many have fakes!!! WE need to know.

Taking sides? "Hi. I like you. I'm on your side".
How do you know if Xeef or GreeenieBuddy is right or wrong???
Another softballer taking sides.

All of you complaining clowns, Fake Fenders need to be known.
Anybody wanna buy a Gucci purse at a swap & trade?
Anybody wanna buy a George Best or Kevin Keegan autograph?
Firestorm, anybody?

Do you really want to sit back and "take a side" on the Fender Fake possibility?
Or, do you want to know the truth.
Let's see Greeeenhard take action. The truth.
Let's see Xeefer show some love for the Fender market. The truth.


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:26 am
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davidwhitson wrote:
AaronK wrote:
I would have to say as a complete outsider, and someone who knows nothing about Firestorm Finishes that, just reading this thread from beginning to end, that I would have to side with the opinions of "GreenHeart" and "Shweeson", as they have some pretty hard facts and evidence.

You can't be serious. No one is denying that fakes are made or that greenheart may have got one. The problem is they came on here making accusations that Xhefri was somehow connected to the fake and was involved in trying to con more people into buying fakes. Then they tried to convince everyone that as rare as this finish is that greenheart personnally has five copies and has access to even more. Then when Xhefri did not give in to their demands, they just got silly with their ridiculous personal attacks.
Xhefri is a respected member here and a great source of knowledge on Fender Plus guitars and has answered the claims of theses guys to my satisfaction. If you want to continue to beat the dead horse...
I gotta go practice so I can learn the solo to Free Bird and watch some Swamp People before flipping burger's today. :roll:

You have got to be kidding. Let someone have an opinion.
Some are respected, but are they perfect? Without flaw? Mistake proof?
Xheef my be totally right or wrong or inbetween.
Greeenhard may be accurate. Or wrong.

Accusatons have been made. Get to the bottom of it as a higher priority than "defending"
a friend. Highly respected can easily be wrong just as the accuser can be correct.

AaronK has an opinon. Share it, not softball it.
What hard facts do you refer to? Make your point, instead of opinion.


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:29 am
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greenheart wrote:
here is a picture for all you smart $@! haters.

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Number 3 and 4 are fakes. You can easily tell by the way the colors are so different from the others. Man alive dude... you've been scammed.

Now we all know you don't know what you are talking about and never have known.

Peace out bro and good luck with the rest of your life. You'll need it.

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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:35 am
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Tomj is sounding a lot like one or both of these guys under a new name.


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:42 am
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asgeirman wrote:
Xhefri wrote:
Now he has started using the Forum to harass me. I am not sure if this guy is crazy or what but I have notified Brad that he is doing this. I have never sold a Firestorm on eBay not do I plan to sell my Icestorm. Like I do not have better things to do than to be in the business of making fake guitars, when this is a just a hobby and I have a demanding day job?? At this point I am just ignoring him.
I think there are such serious accusations here , from Greenheart and others (same person/friends?) - so it should not be ignored anymore :evil:


FINALLY.
Stand up and go for the inquiry!
ASG is not a softballer.
He wants action! Just as the thousands who want fakes out of the market.
Instead of taking "Cry Baby" sides like most of you do;
get into the middle of this and let facts move your decisions.

"It should not be ignored anymore" . . . . .
Anybody else make a statement, or you just gonna sit there, whinny out
and take Greeenhard's or Xeef's side? Let's find out if these two softballers
are just going to "word it out" via a "popularity contest", move on.

Obviously, Greeenie has tremendous energy and reasons for his strong stance.
So far, all I hear from Greeenhard is just text and pics and blah blah blah.
Greeenie, take it to the next level if you have the guts.


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:50 am
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Toronado wrote:
shweeson wrote:
One sold on ebay last month for 2400 to some poor soul who can't afford a lawyer....
That isn't anyones problem.
If you could please stop creating multiple accounts, flooding the forum with useless posts, and most importantly aggravating one of the Forum's most respected members, we would all greatly appreciate it.



Gotta be kidding. Tornado, someone buying a claimed fake is nobody's problem?

Dude, get with it. IT IS EVEYBODY's PROBLEM!
What do you do? Just sit back and take the softball approach?
Then you complain about flooding the thread.
What's more important? threads or fakes?
Can you look at a firestorm, straight?

Tornado, get with it.


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:52 am
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I really find all of this rather funny. We are talking about a thin coat of finish as if it were a counterfeit $1,000,000 bill.

The bottom line is buyer beware.

And if someone got scammed out of some money buying a fake then they should have done some homework first.

The OP was nice enough to show us how he restored a guitar. Where's the crime here in this post? If I decided to change my genuine Fender guitars finish to a Firestorm finish then where is the crime? I change strings and pickups. Where is the crime? I change tuners and saddles. Where is the crime? I sell it as a Fender guitar, which it is. Where is the crime? If you like it you buy it if you don't then be on you merry way. If you want to buy a guitar that is all original then you best know what you are looking for. Fender guitars are made to be modified and people do it all the time. Live with it or shut up and move on.

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Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:53 am
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Tomj

Your posts look suspiciously like Toppscores posts. Are you twins?

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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 4:58 am
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shweeson wrote:
I'm guessing everyone is now doing their research....this is good....I'm sensing a calm in the ''Storm''.....Y'all get back to me on that now ya hear....gue ...gue ..gue
"Don't let it get too dark....no not this time"

Get back to you!!!
Lazy cry baby softballer.

Show what you know instead of just blah blah blah lame text words.
Point things out. Stand-up, instead of stalking and following.

You got a point? You want fakes off the market. DO SOMETHING!
You think Xfre is the only bad guy? Are there others?

Show me the other fakers.
Where are the sites you have also complained towards?
Mostly, so far, you are just shallow.

We want more than these "text words" complaints. Stop your whinny crying.
Go the next step and get fakes off the market.


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:05 am
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Xhefri wrote:
I thought about starting a new thread about this subject, and might. But at the same time how much time should I decimated to a guy (and friend) that have been way less than honest in dealing with me. The old saying is "A person persuaded against his will is of the same opinion still." So I write this to those who might be a bit more open that this Firestorm expert.
Ok, is there any reason to believe that this is a fake? Could it be these varied as the paint tech was getting his method down in doing these. Some have more black streaks, some have more red. Some are darker and some are lighter. Each one of these were hand done. If you remember previous thread (or read my website) you will note that when it come to colors, with Fender variation is always the acceptation! If these are fakes, someone was really good at doing them, and to make them even look like they came straight from Fender.


No, Xhe. Keep this going here. Lots of accusations and pictures
on one site, instead of two. Don't be a runner. Both sides are softballers.
If crimes are taking place, if illegal internet sales are happening,
if fakes are continued to be produced, . . . stand up and counter Greenhard.


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Post subject: Re: Strat Plus DX in Rare Firestorm Finish - CSI Forensics
Posted: Tue Jul 03, 2012 5:20 am
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Xhefri wrote:
And you shweeson? All you have is a "fake" Firestorm and your an expert? What a double standard. there is no winning with ego heads such as you two are. And to think that there are no Graffitti Yellow Strat Plus or even Lake Pacid Blue. No respect in the way you approach a matter. And with your lies in the emails, Greenheart, to lead me on with the thought you had a Icestorm Tele on the line. How do you explain that as far as your credibility? Why did you lie about that? I do not have time for your childish games.


Xhef. Get off your butt and don't push this aside as child games.
This is big stuff for you to baby out. Go to the law.
Don't be a softie. You said Greenhard called you about the law.
Go check it out. Let us know.
You claim a lot of purchases. Never made a mistake?


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