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Post subject: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 3:59 pm
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When Playing my Classic Players 50's Strat, I seem to find there is a bit of buzz/hum coming from the guitar when not touching any metal parts of the guitar even when on clean on my Hot Rod Deville. Is this normal or is this a grounding issue. If so how do i sort it out :)


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:20 pm
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And if you touch metal,like strings, the hum/buzz desapear ?

If yes, it is a ground missing in your guitar.

If no , try another amp.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 4:25 pm
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stratele52 wrote:
And if you touch metal,like strings, the hum/buzz desapear ?

If yes, it is a ground missing in your guitar.

If no , try another amp.


Yes it does Disappear, Any idea how to fix this?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 7:44 pm
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I would first take off the back tremolo cover and make sure the ground wire didnt break off and if it looks good I would pull the pickguard off and double check the a ground wires


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Tue Jan 10, 2012 2:06 am
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If guitar is under warranty , bring back to the store.
Ground wire are under the pickgard and as goodonbed write , there is a wire under the tremolo cover.

IMO chance are it is the bridge griound is bad, a wire between the bridge and guitar body going to the guitare main ground.

If you touch, with any piece of small electric wire ,or alligator clip / jumper, the bridge and the guitar metal jack plate, together and your hum/buzz deasapear, there is a ground missing at bridge.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 12:00 pm
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Something you might wanna consider.....60-cycle hum is common with single coils. The CP '50's Strat has a reverse wound middle pickup, making the 2 and 4 positions on your pickup selector hum-cancelling. Before taking the guitar anywhere or doing anything with it, you might want to check that you still have the buzz at all five of a pickup postions. It could just be the usual hum from single coils maybe being enhanced by something electrical nearby.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Thu Jan 12, 2012 2:28 pm
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Midniterambler wrote:
Something you might wanna consider.....60-cycle hum is common with single coils. The CP '50's Strat has a reverse wound middle pickup, making the 2 and 4 positions on your pickup selector hum-cancelling. Before taking the guitar anywhere or doing anything with it, you might want to check that you still have the buzz at all five of a pickup postions. It could just be the usual hum from single coils maybe being enhanced by something electrical nearby.


It is not the case her as AndyVogel touch a metal and the hum/buzz desapear ; I is not a single coil problem.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 10:29 am
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stratele52 wrote:
Midniterambler wrote:
Something you might wanna consider.....60-cycle hum is common with single coils. The CP '50's Strat has a reverse wound middle pickup, making the 2 and 4 positions on your pickup selector hum-cancelling. Before taking the guitar anywhere or doing anything with it, you might want to check that you still have the buzz at all five of a pickup postions. It could just be the usual hum from single coils maybe being enhanced by something electrical nearby.


It is not the case her as AndyVogel touch a metal and the hum/buzz desapear ; I is not a single coil problem.


You're probably right, but what I suggested would be very, very easy to check. I'd still check that out before taking it anywhere or opening the guitar up. I mean, always start with the simplest things when trouble shooting, right?


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 3:58 pm
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I've previously waxed lyrical about this issue...

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In my experience, what you've got isn't a grounding problem, but a screening problem. Fender use un-screened hook-up wire inside their guitars: very vintage, but electronically not good practice. And to make things worse, they only screen the internal body cavities on some models, definitely not all. The back of your guitar's pick guard may be screened, but that's not really enough.

When you have the guitar in front of you (but don't touch the metal bits) your body's acting like a big aerial, picking up radio interference, mains hum and all sort of stuff and this is picked up by the unscreened wiring in your guitar. When you touch the strings or bridge your body is earthed and the hum stops.

The only real cure for this problem is to screen the body cavity, either with conductive paint or copper foil. Just make sure that the screening is ultimately connected to an earth point in the guitar (usually one of the pot bodies). Plenty of websites out there will give you loads of information on the various ways to screen the body.

My USA Deluxe Tele has a screened body and Vintage Noiseless pickups and is quiet as a church mouse. I fitted my MIM Strat with VNs but it was still noisy until I screened the body. Surprisingly my CS Custom Deluxe Strat wasn't screened either (it is now!). My most recent Fender acquisition - a Jaguar Blacktop HH - still needs doing, as it's noisy even though it has twin humbuckers.

Hope that helps, anyway.


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 5:11 pm
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Shielding the body cavities is a huge waste. Adding foil can alter the tone of the guitar much like changing the tone cap value or type, and it doesn't do much for electrical interference. Shielding completely misses the pups, which is where the noise comes from anyway, so it doesn't block the interference at all. It is the pickups that "pickup" the noise, not the body cavities. You can get the same results as shielding by adding another cap across the output, muffling the noise but not blocking it, which changes the tone from the guitar. :idea:

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Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 8:50 pm
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shimmilou wrote:
Shielding the body cavities is a huge waste. Adding foil can alter the tone of the guitar much like changing the tone cap value or type, and it doesn't do much for electrical interference. Shielding completely misses the pups, which is where the noise comes from anyway, so it doesn't block the interference at all. It is the pickups that "pickup" the noise, not the body cavities. You can get the same results as shielding by adding another cap across the output, muffling the noise but not blocking it, which changes the tone from the guitar. :idea:


Or you could use copper tape in the cavity and solder the ground wire to it takeing the player out of the loop aka not attached to the bridge. One of my strats has the copper laid out like the shielding pain. So when the pickguard is on the guitars the copper tape on the guard touched the copper tape in the body cavity. No hum from that guitar.

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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Fri Jan 13, 2012 11:52 pm
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Foil, copper, same results (different sound), the shielding doesn't shield the pups, but adds capacitance to the circuit muffling the noise and altering the guitar tone, just the same as adding a capacitor on the output. Proper grounding, and eliminating ground loops does more to reduce noise without altering the tone. If you like the tone with the shielding, that's great, but I don't care for it. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 3:12 am
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Shimmilou,
Lot of the hum is by the pickups wire ( going to switch and pots ) and all electonics wiring witch are not shielded.
A shielded body cavity do a great job , I do a couple of time with paint and with copper. Very quiet after the job. Not sure if change tone a little bit. Hard to say, for me.

IMO I wish to keep a original Leo Strat as it is .


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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 8:11 am
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Something interesting, related to the hum/buzz of guitars/amps. I noticed that at my house, if I play in the morning, my setup is very quiet, no hum/buzz at all. Then, using the same exact setup in the afternoon or evening, I have some slight buzzing even when using hum-buckers. The first few times that I heard the noise, I thought something was wrong with my guitar or amp. Then it dawned on me that the noise is either coming from the electrical lines, or some kind of radio interference that only happens later in the day.

I have only shielded a few body cavities on guitars and noted the slightly muted highs, but the sound was acceptable to the guitars owners, especially for bass guitars. Using only a full pick guard shield doesn't do much at all for noise. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: Fender Classic Players 50's hum
Posted: Sat Jan 14, 2012 1:22 pm
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Maybe it is because early in the day , AC line are free from many king of noise . Not many people use electric appliance with magnetic field.

When late in the day it is not the case . Also in the evening/night, the "sky " help to transmit radiowaves.

Is a line conditionner will help ? Probalbly but not a low ( cheap ) cost one.


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