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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 8:49 pm
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Nice work magna, amazed to see how little bandsaw burn marks appeared on your cut (and by little, I mean none).Was there a sand step we missed or did adjusting the bandsaw guide help eliminate the burn?

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:08 pm
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Thanks....No...No sanding yet, I felt like I had enough saw dust tonight.
I just took my time cutting it and you can see on the edges the blade marks where I reversed to get a better line to cutting the pattern.
I'm using an inexpensive Ryobi bandsaw, but it works well for this, my only wish would be for a band saw that has at least an 8 inch cutting capability but 13" would be even better....
But so far so good so buying more expensive tools is not a necessity at this point.

I did have the guide as low as possible above the workpiece, just enough to allow unhindered cutting but low enough incase the blank chattered up and down it would not jam and possibly snap the blade.....It went much easier than I was expecting....
That however may not be the case for the Walnut blank of the Telepartster...

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Mon Aug 20, 2012 9:17 pm
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Nice work man, this thread is awesome and I can't wait to see how the telepartster is going :)

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:40 am
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53 Magna.
I just caught this glorious thread and read through it.
Gosh. I have learned quite a bit. You are doing a great job.
Amazing how the factory folks have it down pat,
but the one-at-a-time luthier builders, really have to put
time and care into their guitars. Much appreciated.

Are you using just two deep slats and routing out the
neck, pickup and other cavities in the top slat?
Do you route into the second slat for the swimming pool hole?
Toppscore :)

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 3:37 am
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I think I was nervous for you!! I cant imagine starting to cut out my hands would have been shaking too bad ..eeekkeee.. Ive said it before but I love this thread its like art with a heart..

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 7:07 am
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Gee....Golly....Wiz.... :!: :!: :)
So much praise.... :)

Impulse7 wrote:
Nice work man, this thread is awesome and I can't wait to see how the telepartster is going :)


Some updates should be up today, although a few other pressing matters do get in the way...

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53 Magna.
I just caught this glorious thread and read through it.
Gosh. I have learned quite a bit. You are doing a great job.
Amazing how the factory folks have it down pat,
but the one-at-a-time luthier builders, really have to put
time and care into their guitars. Much appreciated.

Are you using just two deep slats and routing out the
neck, pickup and other cavities in the top slat?
Do you route into the second slat for the swimming pool hole?
Toppscore :)


No swimming pool here, this a back load but I have yet to decide wether I will use a 5 way or superswitch or 3 DPDT or SPST switches. This depends on wether I will use another set of Texas Specials, 69's or Noiseless. I will however be using Fender parts and pickups as much as possible, but there will only be 1 Master Vol. and 1 Master TBX tone. Jack will be on the side/edge at a 45 degree angle towards the strap plug. this will get the cord out of the way and leave the top as uncluttered as possible...
I still think I will carve the top but that is not for a while as there is much to be done....
Final layout, colors of stain and finish...as I still have to locate a 70's style neck, that is critical for layout..

Monalst wrote:
I think I was nervous for you!! I cant imagine starting to cut out my hands would have been shaking too bad ..eeekkeee.. Ive said it before but I love this thread its like art with a heart..


Thanks... Monalst....
I assure you I have all fingers unmolested, I have been in woodworking and carpentry since I was 17 so I have always gone by the rule that if you are tired and not focusing on the task, it is best to stay clear of power tools and leave them turned off....
I have seen too many people in the carpentry business with the results of an argument with a power tool....We never win... :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:56 am
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53magnatone wrote:
Gee....Golly....Wiz.... :!: :!: :)
So much praise.... :)
Toppscore wrote:
53 Magna.
I just caught this glorious thread and read through it.
Gosh. I have learned quite a bit. You are doing a great job.
Amazing how the factory folks have it down pat,
but the one-at-a-time luthier builders, really have to put
time and care into their guitars. Much appreciated.
Are you using just two deep slats and routing out the
neck, pickup and other cavities in the top slat?
Do you route into the second slat for the swimming pool hole?
Toppscore :)
No swimming pool here, this a back load but I have yet to decide wether I will use a 5 way or superswitch or 3 DPDT or SPST switches. This depends on wether I will use another set of Texas Specials, 69's or Noiseless. I will however be using Fender parts and pickups as much as possible, but there will only be 1 Master Vol. and 1 Master TBX tone. Jack will be on the side/edge at a 45 degree angle towards the strap plug. this will get the cord out of the way and leave the top as uncluttered as possible...
I still think I will carve the top but that is not for a while as there is much to be done....
Final layout, colors of stain and finish...as I still have to locate a 70's style neck, that is critical for layout..



Hi, 53 Mag ~
Question. Typically, I see one or two designs for SSS Strat bodies.
1) three different routed pickup bays
2) the "swimming pool"

Why not always create the "swimming" pool cuts for everything?

What are the disadvantages of having a "swimming pool"
when using only three simple SSS pickups?

Are there any disadvantages at all?

Seems easier to create a "swimming pool" hole than routing three precise pickup bays?

Just interested and wondering why decisions are made for the "swimming pool"
routing, even if the SSS could use normal SSS holes/bays.
Thanks. Toppscore :)

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 12:35 pm
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To Answer is actually multi faceted. It depends on the application....
I'm not a fan of the swimming pool route, bear in mind it was/is done as a cost cutting measure when you have a production number of routing out 10 - 20 bodies per hour. With CAD and CNC and the rest of the CadCam controlled machinery, it's not needed to rout large chambers since they just set the controls for how many or which configuration this batch of bodies will be..
And the new computer controlled machinery is so precise and so fast that anything is possible on a production scale....

Now for me we're talking about routing out One body at a time, perhaps Two layed out on the cutting bench. Either way I am still doing this by hand with a small handheld router.
If I really wanted to be traditional I could do this with only chisels, rasps and files, sandpaper and block planes, no electric tools... :roll:
Not gonna happen as I would like to complete one guitar within a Six month period. :wink:

This is what I'm aiming at.... But it will be 3 single pups not 2 HB's.
The pups will be adjustable from the rear cavity, not from the front as I just want the route to be the size need for the single coils and no more...

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On the Telepartster, same idea, minimal route, minimal number of controls and it will be carved top for both as I really like the look..

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There are multiple ways to get around this front route, I also could just do a Blender pot idea with 3 Volume pots and 1 master tone TBX pot which then minimizes the size of the route and you could blend in all three pickups and whatever combination.
That is something Andy Big Hair, Xhefri or Martian could answer. I'm not sure of the electronics configuration but I believe it could be done...

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My goal is to have a very versatile Strat and Tele but as easthetically pleasing as possible, so some compromises have to be done as far as electronics...However I'm a minimalist when it comes to playing, Guitar, cord, Vintage Amp, maybe once in a great while I'll hook up the Vox Wah pedal but usually everything is direct..

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Not mine but just the theme of where I'm going...

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Also since it's a Custom body and tweaked to my preferences it will be different than a production body...

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:00 pm
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Telepartster Template is layed out and ready for cutting out on the bandsaw...

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This is an overlay of the Stratocaster over Telecaster shape and the difference in neck area contours. I have blended more of the Strat in the lower and upper horn curves.
Easy to have flowing curves when you draw them out with a set of French Curves...

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Dimension plan with the various measurements and their differences.

I got these pictures from the Telecaster Guitar Forum, from a build from a gentle man named " Guitarnut " these pictures in this post other than the template were all his and I have borrowed them for my applications...

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:11 pm
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Thanks, 53 Mag.

Question. If a guitar had an SSS pickup cover over the SSS routing,
would anyone be able to tell if there is a "swimming pool" or three pickup bays
under a pickguard? Any sound/tone or construction quality concerns/differences?

Thanks. Toppscore :)

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Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 1:57 pm
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Toppscore wrote:
Thanks, 53 Mag.

Question. If a guitar had an SSS pickup cover over the SSS routing,
would anyone be able to tell if there is a "swimming pool" or three pickup bays
under a pickguard? Any sound/tone or construction quality concerns/differences?

Thanks. Toppscore :)


This would be a better question for Xhefri..Have you gone to his web site.. :?:
www.xhefriguitars.com
There is an awful lot of info from his rebuilds,builds, refinish.
He's done quite a bit of extensive guitar rehab with the swimming pool routed Stratocasters.

Could I tell the difference from just hearing two strats with identical hardware and pups but one with pool route and the other with conventional SSS route... maybe
Some people swear that the pool route gives off more of a hollow chamber tone, sort of like the thin line Tele's which is entirely possible since it's all about vibrations and cavities versus solid will resonate differently..But by just looking at the guitar, NO I don't believe there are any surface clues as to the layout under the hood....

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 2:00 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
Toppscore wrote:
Thanks, 53 Mag.

Question. If a guitar had an SSS pickup cover over the SSS routing,
would anyone be able to tell if there is a "swimming pool" or three pickup bays
under a pickguard? Any sound/tone or construction quality concerns/differences?

Thanks. Toppscore :)


This would be a better question for Xhefri..Have you gone to his web site.. :?:
There is an awful lot of info from his rebuilds,builds, refinish.
He's done quite a bit of extensive guitar rehab with the swimming pool routed Stratocasters.

Could I tell the difference from just hearing two strats with identical hardware and pups but one with pool route and the other with conventional SSS route... maybe
Some people swear that the pool route gives off more of a hollow chamber tone, sort of like the thin line Tele's which is entirely possible since it's all about vibrations and cavities versus solid will resonate differently..But by just looking at the guitar, NO I don't believe there are any surface clues as to the layout under the hood....


Got it. Just wondering if swimming pools are easier, why bother with three pickup bays.
But, as you mentioned earlier, with modern technology, any of it can be done.
Problem is, down the road, it may restrict modifications, but that has to be rare.
Thanks and take care. Toppscore :)

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Post subject: Re: Stratopartster IV & TelePartster I Build
Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 11:04 am
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For the last three days it was back to the Telepartster. I thought I would get everything done yesterday including glueing but Not quite...
First was the Top, joined and glued, it still was in need of light planing and sanding. that completed on to the Bottom Halves which have to be prepared.

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At the end of the day, the Top was ready, the center pieces had been cut to length only out of the 3/4" x 6" Maple stock I had purchased at Home Depot..As I said before sometimes they do get a stock of really nice wood for my needs but I do prefer to hit the local lumberyards who have been around before the HD's and hopefully will outlast them...

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These are the pieces, which funny enough look like a kit I could have bought.... :lol:
The Telepartster Template is now cut and the edges are smoothed out ( night before last ).
These next pics were from yesterday. The Back Halves are next to be recut, replaned and resanded..The Top is ready... To Go

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Next was the middle section between the Top and Back. I split the 3/4" in half for a center section of 5/16"th or 8mm thickness. I contemplated less but this seemed to be a thickness allowing the figuring to show thru without separating the Walnut grain with too wide of a gap.
.......It's about the effect.....Dude's and Dudette's..... :lol:

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Closer view of ripping to thickness....I'm sure Monalst will cringe on these two pics but again I assure anyone that I use caution, my fingers are never at risk to be cut into bite size chunks.
Hence a well secured fence and the finger joint clamps which press the stock against the fence as I run it thru the blade.
These are what allow me to rip a piece of stock to a narrow thickness, the clamps do the job of where your fingers would normally be ( not good ) in relation to the blade in order to push a piece a stock thru with a consistent thickness. thus you can work safely and if you happen to ruin a piece, there is always more stock.

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Center pieces cut to size, the smaller piece is for another potential project..

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Next was sanding to erase the saw marks and prepare a surface for glueing.
On the small belt sander I'm using a 60 grit then followed with the orbital sander also running 60 grit. The belt sander will take more then the orbital even though the sandpaper grit is the same.

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Center pieces are cut to size and sanded, the Back Halves are also recut, replaned , resanded and next is the......Center piece between the Back Halves. again decided that I wanted that contrast just for the back of the Telepartster......
I know call me indecisive but it just did not seem possible until all the pieces were cut to final shape.

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This is the contrast, Back of the Telepartster body is facing up, the Top is face down.... :|

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Laying out on the bench in preparation for glueing, this takes a bit of pre-planning as the pieces have to be coated with glue then layed up and then clamped sequentially.
The Titebond II gives about 5 minutes before it begins to set or a skin forms. If two pieces are layered with glue and then layed face to face then the curing process slows down since ambient air is no longer such a factor...Anyway...

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It may be obvious to the keen of eye that the center strip is a bit thicker than the halves, that is because I needed to clamp it down to the glue side of the top as well as the inside edges of both Back halves....Also once cured and ready, I will have to trim the strip and back but it's easier to trim to thickness if the strip is just a little thicker. I'll be using small block planes for this...

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Glued and clamped and that is about it for this phase. I used a total of 16 clamps, I also use the larger clamps steel shaft as a straight edge to clamp against to pressure the body completely flat. This allows me to use less clamps and to not need special wood jaw clamps which I do not have...

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I will say that joining / glueing 8 pieces at the same time can be messy.....
The small pieces of Lexan under the clamps are so the pressure point is distributed on a wider footprint than the clamps round foot and so that the clamp doesn't stick to the wood.

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Ahh...Thanks...The more the merrier...

Plus sometimes someone will pipe in with a suggestion which hadn't occured to me...
That is always a plus... 8)

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