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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:18 am
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If you opt for the USA Special HSS but want the sound of an American Fat Strat Texas Special, you'll need to replace the stock atomic humbucker with a duncan pearly gates plus. Not sure if the USA Special is already fitted with the 5-way super switch.

The greasebucket circuit will not overload your sound with redundant lows as you'd expect from a standard tone control; as a result, you'll get the sweet SRV roadhouse grit without that annoying muddiness when you roll the treble off.


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 5:24 am
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Dawson9a wrote:
Well I got the GC used American Strat in today to join my G-Dex3 30 amp and I think I'm gonna like the sound. However, the guitar is going back to my local store. They did not include the gig bag nor tremolo and there were a lot of dings on the body. Think I'll pay alittlebit more and get this new. With the$150 off coupon, a new one will only cost an extra $100. Love the clean sounds with this combo and the humbucker will do the trick. I'm still wondering how it compares to the pearly gates of an American Lonestar. Should I hold off and try and find the US Lonestar or go ahead and get the new Ameican Special?? Kinda back to square one...:). Let me know soon... This Strat is going back this Friday!

Thanks again guys!

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If you liked the tone of the Atomic humbucker, then I'd leave it and stick with the American Special. What I would do, however, is replace the stock 5-way switch with a Super Switch and wire it up like the Lonestar. FWIW, the Pearly Gates Plus is voiced a bit brighter than SD's regular Pearly Gates. You may want to play the MIM Lonestar a few times to see if it works for you.


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:06 am
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The 3rd and "missing" member of the family is the MIM Deluxe Big Apple Strat.


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 7:33 am
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chromeface wrote:
The 3rd and "missing" member of the family is the MIM Deluxe Big Apple Strat.



Blacktop Stratocaster HH.........although, around the time of the Big Apple, there was a Deluxe Double Fat that was the MIM equivalent.


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 1:51 pm
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Going to GC on Friday to try out their new American Specials. They don't have any Lonestars in stock so I won't be able to try the Pearly Gates.. are there any other models that have this pickup so I can compare? I may also have a bite on a 2009 American Lonestar in Sienna Burst.. looks to be in good condition. Is this worth looking into for the right price? Should be able to get this under $700.
What exactly will the super switch buy me if I get in installed on an American Special? Overall, I'm impressed enough with the American Special as it is if I get it for around $700 or so after the GC $150 off.

Ideas on this?

Thanks again,
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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 2:55 pm
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Dawson9a wrote:
Going to GC on Friday to try out their new American Specials. They don't have any Lonestars in stock so I won't be able to try the Pearly Gates.. are there any other models that have this pickup so I can compare? I may also have a bite on a 2009 American Lonestar in Sienna Burst.. looks to be in good condition. Is this worth looking into for the right price? Should be able to get this under $700.
What exactly will the super switch buy me if I get in installed on an American Special? Overall, I'm impressed enough with the American Special as it is if I get it for around $700 or so after the GC $150 off.

Ideas on this?

Thanks again,
Dave


2009? Hmmm. That seems a little late for an MIA Lonestar. Is it, perhaps, an American Standard HSS? I'd definitely check it out. With the Super Switch, what you gain is coil splitting which allows for the front coil of the humbucker to be combined in parallel with the middle pick up. This gives you a tone that sounds more similar to a regular Strat in the 2nd position. Also, this preserves hum cancellation whereas having the full humbucker combined with the middle will result in some noise. May not really be a major issue, though, depending on your applications and needs. The Super Switch also allows for some modifications as well. On mine, I gave up the middle only setting in the 3rd position to attain the neck pick up in parallel with the humbucker's rear coil. Sounds very much like a Tele.


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Thu Dec 22, 2011 4:12 pm
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Oops. My mistake. The US Lonestar I'm considering is a 1999.. not 2009.


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 2:40 am
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Dawson9a wrote:
Oops. My mistake. The US Lonestar I'm considering is a 1999.. not 2009.


The USA Lonestar was made between 1997 and 1999. It was renamed as the American Fat Strat Texas Special in 2000. This model lasted for about 3 years before being replaced by the American Strat HSS with the Diamondback humbucker, Tex-Mex single-coils and S-1 switch in 2004.

With the introduction of the American Standards in 2008, the American Strat HSS was upgraded with a new 2-point bridge featuring bent steel saddles and a copper-infused steel block, as well as a satin neck with glossy front for the headstock and the fretboard. The S-1 switch was removed to keep things simple.


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 8:07 am
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I used to have a '97 Lonestar (and I wish I had it back). It really was a nice Strat. I imagine that the American Special HSS would be somewhat similar as they both have the Texas Specials, but I haven't spent enough time paying an America Special to say how its bridge humbucker compares to the Lonestar's Peary Gates Plus. The one thing that I feel gives the Lonestar a bit of an edge is that it comes stock with the Super Switch which allows for coil splitting (BTW; why doesn't Fender offer his on the current MIM Lone Star? It has been offered on other Mexican Fat Strats). I modified mine so that instead of getting the middle pickup only in the third position, I got the neck + rear coil of the humbucker. As is, the stock wiring allows for the front coil of the bucker + middle in the 2nd position whereas the American Special HSS simply gives you the full bucker +middle which takes away hum cancellation and sounds a bit different which is not necessarily a bad thing. Have you also looked at the American Standard HSS? It has Tex-Mex singles rather than the Texas Specials and also has the 5-way super switch.


+1

after years i have mod mine with a sd sh-4 hb pu. in my opinion a good combi with the texas specials. so she's my all in one guitar.

[img][IMG]http://i422.photobucket.com/albums/pp306/Triskele/K640_loni1029.jpg[/img][/img]

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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 4:40 pm
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Update.. Went to GC today and took back the dinged up American Special. The were more than gracias with everything. Customer Service has really gone up since I was there last. Got my entire purchase price refunded without a problem. They didn't have any net AS Strats in sic but offered to order me one. I was able to use their $150 off, which I was surprised they would do since Fender wasn't a part of that, plus an extra $20 off... Plus an extra $20 in store credit. Hard to pass up a brand new AS for $679!!

Never heard back from the guy with the US Lonestar... If I can get a deal on that, I can get back my money within 30 days on the AS...


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Fri Dec 23, 2011 9:03 pm
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Dawson9a wrote:
Update.. Went to GC today and took back the dinged up American Special. The were more than gracias with everything. Customer Service has really gone up since I was there last. Got my entire purchase price refunded without a problem. They didn't have any net AS Strats in sic but offered to order me one. I was able to use their $150 off, which I was surprised they would do since Fender wasn't a part of that, plus an extra $20 off... Plus an extra $20 in store credit. Hard to pass up a brand new AS for $679!!

Never heard back from the guy with the US Lonestar... If I can get a deal on that, I can get back my money within 30 days on the AS...



Cool. I'd go ahead and get the American Standard unless you get an amazing deal on the Lonestar.


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 1:30 am
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You pressed the IMG tag icon twice, that's why the photo you've posted in your recent reply is not displayed.

Here you go:

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Cheers,

John

BTW nice Strat :)


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Post subject: Re: Help! American Lonestar vs. American Special Strat?
Posted: Sat Dec 24, 2011 7:03 am
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BTW, regarding the humbucker, I found this on the web contrasting the Seymour Duncan Pearly Gates and JB Humbuckers. The Pearly Gates Plus is also mentioned. The main difference between the PG and PG+ is the magnets; the standard PG uses Alnico II while the Plus version uses Alnico V. The result is that the PG+ is brighter and less mellow than the PG. It sounds a bit like Duncan's '59 model. One thing that I learned is that the coils of the PG humbucker are mismatched (duh...that explains why it was a little noisey whereas the Texas Specials in parallel was virtually noiseless. Even position 2 with the split humbucker was quiet).

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The JB has almost twice the output of a PG. More output adds mid range and therefore a much fatter tone. The JB, like the PG, has a lot of treble but given the added output the harmonics and the pick attack will pop out much more.

The interesting thing about the PG is that the 2 coils are mismatched in output. 1 coils is 4k and the other is 4.5k giving a total of 8.5k. This mismatch of output causes a mismatch of frequencies and therefore an off balance and brighter tone. The mismatch will even cut through high gain and keep it's original tone much better. I had a custom made set that had a 1k coil mismatch and it would tame my Soldano.

If your PG came with your Fender Strat, is Tremolo spaced and is white then you probably have a Pearly Gates Plus which has an alnico 5 instead of an alnico 2 magnet. The more powerful magnet adds more punch to the PU but takes away a lot of the smoothness. In other word you're getting a slightly more distortion friendly PU at the expense of the access to a unique mellow bluesy tone.

The reason people praise the JB so much is because it's a PU that will sound different in the hands of different players. It's powerful and like I said has great pick attack so it will emphasize aspects of your playing. I love the fact that my pinch harmonics just ring out while others will love how open chords sound so articulate even through high gain and others will have other reasons. Regardless, it's all about making the strings resonate better.


In my experience, I didn't really like the PG+ for clean sounds. It works great for dirty sounds, but if you are looking for heavy high gain sounds, it may not be the best option for that application.


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