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Post subject: new strat most valuables
Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:28 pm
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Since old strats, from the 50s, 60s, and 70s are worth a lot of money now (in good condition), which new strats will most likely gain the same value in 30-50 years. What im asking is what are the new strat models that will become icons in the future just like the '62 is to us now. :)


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Posted: Wed Jul 11, 2007 2:32 pm
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Probably the somewhat limited artist sig models.

The VG strat will probably be seen as "before its time" once we have some more crazy technology. Other than that, I can't say I'm too sure.


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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:21 am
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i think the american standard and some of the mexican guitars will be the ones 20 or 30 years down the road that we are all saying if i only woulda kept ******* id be rich

its always what ever such and such an artist used so if john mayer plays and american strat or if henry garza plays a mexican 60s and they both turn into guitar gods then those will be the most desirable

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 10:43 am
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The value of old electric guitars is created artificially - they're not more expensive because they're better (they're not), because so-and-so played one like it (who cares), because electric guitars improve with age (they don't) - so there is no telling whether current guitars will be worth more in the future or not.

The reasons collectors use to justify the price of "vintage" guitars have nothing to do with their actual market value. A '62 Strat is worth "X" number of US dolalrs because the majority of collectors have agreed to let it be worth that amount. Nothing more or less.

So take your best guess!


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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:10 am
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i beg to differ

if clapton never played blackie i wouldnt want a black strat with a maple neck
jimi hendrix has sold more strats than any fender salesman hands down

it matters alot, just look at what clapton did to late 50s les pauls burts there in the 400k range now the player diffinatly matters

why would any guitar company do a signature model if it didnt?

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I believe the ones that will be worth more in the future are:

Signature Models
Anniversary Models
Vintage ReIssue Models
Limited Edition Models

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 11:19 am
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The stupidly high prices of Les Paul bursts has nothingto do with Clapton. It is simply an agreement among collectors that they are worth a given amount.

Jimi sold lots of NEW Stratocasters. Not old ones. In fact, the ones Jimi played are less valuable than older ones.

My statement stands: the popularity of a given guitarist is not a predictor of future value of a given guitar.


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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 1:16 pm
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no i still think that guitars are attached to who plays them and clapton did alot for the burst he put it in demand he popularized it if he didnt no one would want to collect them same with strats it has everything to do with the player granted prices are outragous and like u said people are willing to pay that much but its still because they were popularized by a certin player weather it be hendrix,clapton,gilmour,beck,page

its still about whos playing the thing

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Posted: Thu Jul 12, 2007 2:06 pm
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But that has nothing to do with what is being discussed, which is... can you predict which current model Fenders will increase in value?


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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:34 am
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but it dose for the reason i stated in my first post


if john mayer plays say a 2004 fender american standard strat and 30 years from now hes like the eric clapton of this genaration that will make a 2004 fender american standard strat more valuable to a collector so i mean its still a guesstimate but its not a bad one

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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:45 am
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For the last time, no, it won't.

To expand on your own example; black strats with maple boards (oooh... just like Eric's!!) are not more valuable than custom colors from the same year. It's rarity and agreement among collectors that creates collector value, not hero worship. If those stupid-looking "Blackie" repros increase in value, it will only be due to their rarity. Stuff gets expensive because it's hard to get.


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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 8:49 am
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i guess we will know in 30 years or so then cuz i truely believe my theory haha lets just see who the better investor is
its the stock market with guitars

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Posted: Fri Jul 13, 2007 2:13 pm
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no i still think that guitars are attached to who plays them and clapton did alot for the burst he put it in demand he popularized it if he didnt no one would want to collect them same with strats it has everything to do with the player granted prices are outragous and like u said people are willing to pay that much but its still because they were popularized by a certin player weather it be hendrix,clapton,gilmour,beck,page

its still about whos playing the thing


Actually, Gibson can thank Mike Bloomfield for the les paul burst's popularity. Guys like Clapton, Green, Page etc. were turned on to the les paul burst by Bloomfield, who was using it alittle earlier than they were. Everything happened here in the states first, europeans just followed. And can you believe that Gibson doesn't even have a Mike Bloomfield signature les paul yet? I guess they don't even know their own history.

The most valuable fenders in the future???

Well, that's easy, the ones that are most valuable to us now, the 50's, 60's. Those were the best years and they always will be, it was then that everything was born. They'll be more and more sought after as time goes by. Fender already had it's heyday, it's over, the only thing they can do now is give people what they want and keep quality control up, that's the most important thing. I'm pretty sure that the guitars being bought now will go up in value, but they won't be near as valuable as the ones that are valuable now. If you'll notice, the stuff their making now is just copies of the older stuff, because that's what the people want. "THEY WANT REISSUES". Only a handful of people are interested in the most up-to-date modern technology, so naturally Fender has to provide for them too.

After all, it's only business. They'll cash in any way they can.


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Posted: Mon Jul 16, 2007 10:39 am
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I think I agree with Hurricane on this. The most sought after Fenders now, will be the most sought after in the future. Maybe the signature models and stuff like that will go up in value too, but I don't think the standard Strat's of these days will be very popular in 40 years.

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Hurricane is spot on. The 50's and 60's Strats/Tele that are going for 10's or even 100's of thousands will always be the most sought after by collectors since guess what they ain't making anymore of them. Simple supply and demand, as the years go by, there will always be more guitar collectors looking to buy guitars from these years and there is a finite amount of guitars out there so naturally the prices will keep going up. All the excellent/very good quality collector guitars from this era are pretty much in the hands of millionare/billionare collectors already and they pretty much trade amongst themselves. In general, you and I will never see these pristine guitars for sale at your local vintage shows or on ebay. Unless you can afford a seat at Lloyds or Sotherby's auction's or already one of these rich collectors, you are SOL.

I doubt any of Fender's "new" guitars will ever appreciate to the extent of the 50'-60's Fender since that was the golden age for the electric guitar and has historical significance, and the production numbers were low compared to today's output. For instance if you have an original Apple I that was actually made by the Woz it would probably be worth 10's of thousands b/c of the historical significance of this computer and that fact they made so few of them that are still surviving. I'm sure some of FEnder's limited edition custom shop artist guitars will go up like the EVH, Clapton "Blackie", Beck etc...since these guitars were only made in small #s of 200-400 and new already sold for a fortune as high as $25K and as Hurricane alluded to, Fender is not stupid, these guitars are purpose built/marketed as "instant collectors" guitars--who's really going to take them on a gig? Some of your masterbuilt guitars or special editions made in small #s will probably also go up in value, esp the rarer or custom colors . But your basic American Series strat will never reach the insane values since they just made too many of them. They'll probably be worth a bit more than what the inflation rate is in 30-40yrs. So whatever $1000 in value is in 30-40 yrs will probably be the value of your basic American Strat/Tele.

Reality wise, trying to speculate what will be collectible is a crap shoot since there are so many factors involved as to predict what will be in demand in 30-40yrs. Rule of thumb, buy what you like and if it appreciates, then thats the bonus.


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