I suggest you take your guitar to a good tech. Setting intonation is not rocket science regardless of what some people think.

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It does require a decent tuner (or a good set of ears or tuning forks).

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My other guitar is a Strat.

None of which is rocket science.

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Oh come on! Think about it again!
Look, there so many different opinions about guitar stuff. I'm in several other forums like a dog-forum for example, where you get 5 opinions out of 6 people about proper husbandry of dogs.
Same with guitars!
When you are in a public forum, then you'll ALWAYS find different opinions. If people are convinced about their opinion, they will try to convince you, that's just normal.

Just make your statement, maybe try to explain again, after that just let them do what they want. It's not tiresome and DEFINITELY not a reason to leave an overall friendly community. I didn't feel bothered by your argueing at all and also I didn't mean to bother anyone with my efforts.

Thank you for the appreciation of my knowledge in other topics.

As I wrote in another thread: some things I know, but there's more I don't know.

Like most other people in this forum I'm just trying to help with the best knowledge I can offer, without saying that MY OPINION is the only right one. So are you! You try to help people who share our hobby with us. Don't just leave because you have to explain things over and over again, including argueing sometimes!!

I'd like to see you stay!!

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STRATS ROCK!!! but Teles and Firebirds, too!

Yes, that's where you start. In a perfect world, these 3 will match. Where's your trouble achieving this? Pls describe, we'll help.




Tuner works. And it helps if it displays the measured frequency.



We're talking technical facts here, not opinions. That's why I used the helicopter metaphor. If you want to check A against B, but B is influenced by A, you're lost. Simple fact. The annoyance comes from people spreading misleading information in a public forum.

Cheers

David

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I honestly apologize if you feel mislead by my explanation.

Who would you rather trust: somebody in a public forum whom you don't know or an experienced guitar manufacturer who happens to additionally be even a studied physician and musician??

I for my part would rather trust the professional whom I know and who - after I asked him again yesterday evening due to our discussion here - confirmed it AGAIN.

As I said: if he doesn't know, who else would? (and it happens to match with what I have learned from others in the past as well).
This is the first time in my life that I get told, that it's WRONG to compare fretted 12th with harmonic over 12th as an alternative to open string / fretted 12th.

It's definitely wrong to compare open string with harmonic, I agree. I leave the rest up to everybody else and will not discuss this topic any further, since it leads to nowhere.

There's so many so called "facts" spread mistakingly in the guitar community, that it doesn't matter if there's one more wrong, whether it's yours or mine.

PEACE????

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STRATS ROCK!!! but Teles and Firebirds, too!

Dieter, I trust in information, in facts. There are a lot of so-called "pros" who don't know what they're talking about. If an argument is valid, it's valid no matter who said it.

On a second note: you are totally new here. Why don't you just give it some time to see who knows his business. Consider the possibility of superior knowledge and experience here.

On a third note: you're not a native english speaker. I'm not either. We should be a bit careful using strong words and expressions, because sometimes we're just off. I include myself here on purpose, it's not an attack against you.



In the majority of cases, your method will work. But it's still wrong do do it, because it's not reliable, whereas the other method (fretted vs. open string) always works.

Cheers

David

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"Humans think they are smarter than dolphins because we build cars and buildings and start wars etc...and all that dolphins do is swim in the water, eat fish and play around. Dolphins believe that they are smarter for exactly the same reasons."

That's right, they might be sitting right here in the forum. How can I know? (no pun intended!!) How can I find out???

So please don't be offended if - in this particular case - I decide to believe not only what I've learned in the past from several experienced guitarists but also what I get told by a professional who's been in guitar business for quite some time, selling self developed and designed high end modern guitars all over the world.

I have to make a plausible decision for myself, right? (rhetoric question)

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STRATS ROCK!!! but Teles and Firebirds, too!

Check their facts.

OK?

Cheers

David

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"Humans think they are smarter than dolphins because we build cars and buildings and start wars etc...and all that dolphins do is swim in the water, eat fish and play around. Dolphins believe that they are smarter for exactly the same reasons."

thats what I was thinking too..

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Experience is the best teacher

Get some real strings EB's, GHS or D'Addarios (not DR's) and set the intonation to the fretted 12th and open.
If it's flat, move the saddle forward. If it's sharp move it back.
I like 10-46 on my Strats and the bridge almost flat against the body. 30 years playing Strats.
Good luck and thank me later.

At least someone understands me. All of you guys are arguing over STUPID stuff. Get a strobe tuner and fret the 12th harmonic YES the harmonic it matters and play the open string yet again flat forward sharp back sometimes its under the term and sometimes its screws on the bridge.

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Suggest you reread the bolded part of djg714's post. He said the "fretted 12th" NOT the 12th fret harmonic.

What's stupid is arguing over a question that was asked back in December 2011 and the OP has never returned for the answer.

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