the band I've been jamming with play alot rock blues
To hard rock, the strat that has been really shining through
Is the hr57 bridge tonezone . Love, love that pickup.
Fat tone, with distortion, unbelievable at loud volumes.
The scn pickups sound great too, but I've been playing with
The idea of throwing in a dimarzio air nortonS in the neck
Position, I imagine off the bat wiring it would be following
The same color code.
What do you guys think?
Cool or travesty?

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008

Hi there, I've combined scns with standard custom shop pickups only to find that when using an scn in combo with a std and S1 switch they sounded funny.
On inspection I found that the scns had the opposite magnetic polarity to standard pickups. As a result my advice would be to check thoroughly that the phase relationship of the new pickup to be installed was the same or at least what you want it to be sonically.
The difference may be okay depending on how you want to use the pickup e.g. There is nothing wrong using a rwrp middle since this aids in hum cancelling but you can run into problems using this type outside normal 5 way switching.
You can check the magnetic polarity with a compass or magnet. Similar polarities will repel or the compass will point in the same direction. Reverse wound is a little trickier and you'll need a meter.
I'd be interested to hear if anyone has had similar experiences.
Hope this helps

Is polarity a issue with humbuckers? Or is it more to do with direction of wind in comparison to the other pickup.

Either way I'm pretty certain that Dimarzio wind all their pickups the same direction to the magnets. Magnetic out of phase can be rectified by wiring the pickup electrically out of phase, most of the time.

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I understand where you are coming from nikininja.
Initially I did not realise the Air Norton was a bucker.
I know winding is important when combining pickup combinations even with humbuckers.
Peter Green's Les Paul (dare I mention it on a Fender Forum) comes to mind in this situation. Polarity though is another good point and you are right it should not matter.
I suppose it just depends on what sound you are after. I just think that care needs to be taken when combining pickups with the scns. Its gotta be easily done though since the deluxe hss had a bucker with the scns.

This strat already has a dimarzio single size bucked in the
Bridge the tonezone .
I was thinking of wiring it the exact same way as the
Tonezone, being dimarzio.

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008

Yeah Blues can't see why that won't work. The Dimarzios are all the same as far as I'm aware and already suggested.
I'd be interestested to see if the red + and the green/braid of the tone zone are reversed in this setup or just wired as normal i.e. Normal being red to the switch and the green/braid of the tonezone to the earth (white and black joined for series)
The active wires on the scn are the colored (white, yellow or red) for hot and black for cold. The green on the scn just connects to an earth plate on the pickup base.
How about a photo if you do open it up.
Certainly not a travesty!

Jimmy,

I did the magnet flip to my Les Paul to achieve that exact sound. The Green sound. Wonderful, divine, goodness. I don't think anyone could be blamed for doing it.

Truth be told, SCN's are humbuckers too, as are Vintage Noiseless and Hot Noiseless pickups. Thats where I encountered problems. No matter what I did I couldn't get VN's to be in phase with a Dimarzio FS2 that I have. So I went with some SCN's that I had lying around. Lo and behold, I couldn't get the VN (neck) in phase with the SCN's.
So in the end I put a Clapton midboost in that Strat. Now in the Neck/Mid position I lower the tone to two, raise the mids to six. Presto Green tone on a Strat. Now thats something in a Strat that I've never heard done convincingly. The only way I see to better it is to move the bridge pickup on the selector switch. So I can get the neck and bridge out of phase together, then add mids.
Must go get that guitar back off my bassist and get the soldering iron out.
So I see the problem in this case being more to do with the phase of the VN's than the Dimarzio's or SCN's. After all the latter pair work well together.

Less about making the pickups work together and more about making the pickups work for you, I think.

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No, I understand.
I installed a 36th Ann PAF with ts a while back and experienced
Out of phase tones.
Have you ever worked with scn's before?
I was simply pointing out that the hr 57 strat comes with
a dimarzio tonezone.

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008

Hi Bluesstratone ...yes I have had a few stock strats with scns.
I'm certainly not trying to argue anything. I do see what you are saying i.e. You already have a dimarzio in there so wiring one in the neck should be ok and I'm in full agreement.
I'm just interested to see if it is wired in the normal fashion since fender do not have the schematic for the hr57.
I was also interested to see what nikininja had to say with his experimentation with the Vns and agree wholeheartely with the comment about getting the sounds that work for you. Here is some interesting info ..http://www.skguitar.com/SKGS/sk/Pickup% ... 0codes.htm


I currently have a spare set of scns sitting here.
As mentioned I have rewired a few pickguards experimenting with both the scns and custom shop pickups including experimenting with the S1 switch which is when I discovered the scns definitely had a different magnetic polarity to standard custom shop pickups. Grab a magnetic and try this yourself and if you don't have one I'm happy to put up photos comparing the magnetic polarity of scns with other pickups that I have here including fat 50s texas specials 69s etc.
I have also disassembled the scns and am aware that they are effectively two stacked coils and hence are buckers. I can also debunk the myth that you cannot get the covers off the scns with a little care they are easily removed. My only comment is that in my experience care should be taken when mixing pickups of this nature with some of the other pickups available:D

Sorry, I misread your previous post, it almost sounded
Like you were referring to me as the 3rd person sorta speak.
I have a compass and have checked polarity.
It's cool, my bad.

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008

Yeah I shoulda put in a comma or something I certainly meant no disrespect so apologies if it initially looked that way. Good luck with the project

no disrespect at all.
ive heard really good reviews on the dimarzio air nortons single coil size humbuckers.\

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oogway, kungfu panda 2008