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Post subject: And my strat is ?
Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 6:47 am
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I look must to know which model of strat I have:

N° E903153
3 Micro Lace sensor Gold
black color
Maple

A priori, according to Xhefriguitars.com it would be about a strat plus, BUT but no locking tuners or roller nut.
Could it be one of this :
"Don't Be confused! It Looks Like a Plus, But It's NOT!
Also: Fender introduced an Deluxe American Standard Strat in 1989 and discontinued them in 1990—so they had a short production life of about one year. According to the Blue Book of Guitars, there was an estimated 400 instruments produced. Personally I think many more than 400, as I have owned several, I have questions emailed to me every couple weeks about these, and see them from time to time on eBay. They came with all the features of a Strat Plus, such as Gold Lace Sensors but no locking tuners or roller nut. They are some-what collectable and are sometimes sold, mistakenly, as a Strat Plus. (They will often have the E4, E8 or E9 serial numbers too, and many of the parts will be leftovers from the pre-CBS buyout). Over time, these may very well be quite collectable. I have one nice one tucked away that I will post picts of some times soon."

It's not my guitar but it's the same :
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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:03 am
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I could not say for sure but I do know that Mr. X is somewhat of an expert when it come to Strat Plus guitars and guitars of that era. I would tend to believe what he tells you. Good luck in identifying your guitar!


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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:30 am
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my friend has a strat+ that looks just like yours with the regular nut and regular bridge. he still has the receipt and hang tag with serial# to confirm the model. if not for that we would have no idea what it is.

but like it was said before they were probably made from leftovers :lol:

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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 7:54 am
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somebizarredude wrote:
my friend has a strat+ that looks just like yours with the regular nut and regular bridge. he still has the receipt and hang tag with serial# to confirm the model. if not for that we would have no idea what it is.

but like it was said before they were probably made from leftovers :lol:


never mind I asked him and his has the roller nut and locking bridge :oops:

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Posted: Wed Sep 14, 2011 8:10 am
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Looks like a "Deluxe American Standard" from '89. There are a couple of threads here lately with identical guitars that have some more info.

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61279

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61334

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Post subject: Re: And my strat is ?
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 5:19 am
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I'm inclined to believe that it's an Am. Std Strat with Lace Sensers.

A couple of clues:
1. The tuning keys look standerd (not locking)
2. No Wilkinson Roller nut
3. Also I'll wager that there isn't a Hip Shot Trem Setter (though early Strat Pluses, like my '87 Strat Plus didn't have one).

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Post subject: Re: And my strat is ?
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:38 am
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paris wrote:
I'm inclined to believe that it's an Am. Std Strat with Lace Sensers.

A couple of clues:
1. The tuning keys look standerd (not locking)
2. No Wilkinson Roller nut
3. Also I'll wager that there isn't a Hip Shot Trem Setter (though early Strat Pluses, like my '87 Strat Plus didn't have one).


Well if this is in fact the same guitar as the one posted in this other thread where some other guy was thinking of trading for it:

http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61279

Then the owner has the original factory hang tag from 1990 that shows it really is a "Deluxe American Standard" - that one-year model that Xehfri describes on his website. Looks like the same guitar - I wonder if the OP just lifted the photo from the thread I linked to.


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Post subject: Re: And my strat is ?
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 6:42 am
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It is the exact same guitar linked in the other thread!! Hmmm! :?


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Post subject: Re: And my strat is ?
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 9:04 am
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it's the same PICTURE as the other post but I leave in france and I buy it in 1989 in a guitar shop in Lyon.
I put this picture because it's the same of mine.
I will just know what kind of strat it is.
She 's mine about 22 years old and I do not want to sell it.


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Post subject: Re: And my strat is ?
Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:23 am
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jism wrote:
She 's mine about 22 years old and I do not want to sell it.

Good idea :idea:

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Posted: Thu Sep 15, 2011 10:30 am
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Yes! It's a nice looking guitar. I would keep it too!! 8) :wink:


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Post subject: Re: And my strat is ?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:01 am
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Ok,

Thank's everybody, and forgive me for my bad english;

Now, my strat is :

A "Deluxe american standard" like build in 89' in Corona.
(Corona factory was opened in 1985, Corona California, with major guitar production starting in 1987. With the addition of a custom shop in 1987 the plant currently employs about 700 workers. Apart from general and Custom Shop Fender instruments and amplifiers, it also encompasses Guild acoustic & electric guitars.)
Without Wilkison roller nut and no hip shot trem setter and a standard tunning key. But she's got the TBX tone control, and 3 lace sensors Gold.
The numbers series ( E903153) is :
    9 for the 89', 90'
    03 for the maple neck
    I still looking for what 153 mean

I think this model was build just before the Strat Plus, and the Clapton signature.
(hope is one of the 400 that Xhefriguitars talk on his site, but I don't know how she came to france ??).

It might not be a collector's item yet, but should be soon.(cf guitar-fiend http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61279)

however, it's a fantastic guitar, very great sound and polyvalente. I began to play rock with it and now (many years later..) I play jazz with the same pleasure and always a great sound. (I bought a Fender Mustang 1 amplificators, and It's a wonderful duo).


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Post subject: Re: And my strat is ?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 5:16 am
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jism wrote:
Ok,

Thank's everybody, and forgive me for my bad english;

Now, my strat is :

A "Deluxe american standard" like build in 89' in Corona.
(Corona factory was opened in 1985, Corona California, with major guitar production starting in 1987. With the addition of a custom shop in 1987 the plant currently employs about 700 workers. Apart from general and Custom Shop Fender instruments and amplifiers, it also encompasses Guild acoustic & electric guitars.)
Without Wilkison roller nut and no hip shot trem setter and a standard tunning key. But she's got the TBX tone control, and 3 lace sensors Gold.
The numbers series ( E903153) is :
    9 for the 89', 90'
    03 for the maple neck
    I still looking for what 153 mean

I think this model was build just before the Strat Plus, and the Clapton signature.
(hope is one of the 400 that Xhefriguitars talk on his site, but I don't know how she came to france ??).

It might not be a collector's item yet, but should be soon.(cf guitar-fiend http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61279)

however, it's a fantastic guitar, very great sound and polyvalente. I began to play rock with it and now (many years later..) I play jazz with the same pleasure and always a great sound. (I bought a Fender Mustang 1 amplificators, and It's a wonderful duo).


For the MIA guitars (made in America)....E9:Eighty-9 is the model year/year of manufacture; the next decade's serial numbers began with N

.....03153: is the serial number identifier assigned to that guitar. These are for factory[regular production line] models like the American Standard series. There are different serial numbers guitars like the Vintage Reissue line, and the Custom Shop guitars. Fender's use of serial numbers has been a big mystery. We actually tried to make some sense of it when the Gilmour guitars were released but could find no correlation between neck plate numbers and date of manufacture, order, or delivery. We gave up. I have a Clapton with an SE9 headstock number 00891 whose neck end date is MAR 8 1990. The body date is also 1990 but the month is not clear. I don't know if they stamp the neck end before or after they mate it to the body, nor at what point the serial number goes on. I assume that S denotes Signature series. My 2010 '57VRI and 2008 Gilmour have V numbers on a their neck plates and my '08 Deluxe VG begins with DZ8 on the headstock.

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Post subject: Re: And my strat is ?
Posted: Sat Sep 17, 2011 7:33 am
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jism wrote:
Ok,

Thank's everybody, and forgive me for my bad english;

Now, my strat is :

A "Deluxe american standard" like build in 89' in Corona.
(Corona factory was opened in 1985, Corona California, with major guitar production starting in 1987. With the addition of a custom shop in 1987 the plant currently employs about 700 workers. Apart from general and Custom Shop Fender instruments and amplifiers, it also encompasses Guild acoustic & electric guitars.)
Without Wilkison roller nut and no hip shot trem setter and a standard tunning key. But she's got the TBX tone control, and 3 lace sensors Gold.
The numbers series ( E903153) is :
    9 for the 89', 90'
    03 for the maple neck
    I still looking for what 153 mean

I think this model was build just before the Strat Plus, and the Clapton signature.
(hope is one of the 400 that Xhefriguitars talk on his site, but I don't know how she came to france ??).

It might not be a collector's item yet, but should be soon.(cf guitar-fiend http://www.fender.com/community/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=61279)

however, it's a fantastic guitar, very great sound and polyvalente. I began to play rock with it and now (many years later..) I play jazz with the same pleasure and always a great sound. (I bought a Fender Mustang 1 amplificators, and It's a wonderful duo).


Okay, here is what I know - first off, you can't interpret anything from the serial number other than the approximate year which comes from the letter and the first digit. The other 5 numbers are just that - a number. They aren't even really sequential because the decals are basically tossed into a box and the person who puts the headstock decals on the guitar grabs a stack from the box for their workbench.

So from your "E903153" the only thing that means anything is the "E9" part, which does translate to "1989". However, Fender also doesn't throw out anything, they typically use up the decals so the "E9" decals were used in both 1989 and 1990. Fender serial numbers are never 100% accurate for dating a guitar; they are only approximations and there are several well known anomalies to the "rule of thumb" that the letter + first digit equals the year the guitar was built. The only way to get an accurate date of manufacture is from either the hang tag (if you have it, the tag will have the date the guitar was inspected and boxed up at the factory) or to take it apart and check the dates written on the heel of the neck and in the body. Now for guitars built starting in 1993 Fender's Consumer Relations has a database that lists when the guitar was finished and typically even the dealer it was shipped to originally. Why 1993? The story I've heard is that Fender got a new computer control system that year and the older records (1985-1992) were never converted to the new system and were just archived somewhere (and might possibly have been damaged at some point along the way).

Now about this model: it was just a production model Fender built for about a year - say mid/late 1989 to mid 1990 - which is why very few of them were built (Xhefri has done the most extensive research on these; if he says about 400 were built than that's about as good an extimate as we're ever going to get). This was well after the Strat Plus was released (some of them actually date to late 1986) and I belive after the Clapton Strat was released (which I think was 1988). It was just Fender's attempt to please those who wanted the Lace Sensors but did not want the roller nut and locking tuners; it didn't sell well because if I'm remembering correctly it was priced pretty close to the price of the Strat Plus so most people just opted for the Strat Plus.


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