to me they are basically saying supply is dwindling and china will end up using it all. and its cheaper to purchase through them because they want your business.

I doubt china acquires all its ebony and rosewood through the legal channels I don't own any Chinese guitars anyway.

but as stated earlier this should probably be moved if not locked.......

You stated its illegal. But seems you can legaly aquire it.

+1. They're coming to take us away haha!

who is this directed at ?

Ceri.

ohhh I believe the statement you are referring to was sarcasm.
"So many exciting new myths have arrived all at once: Indian rosewood is illegal;"

If that is the case I aplogize to ceri.

Well, irony rather than sarcasm, I hope.

But yes; the list I gave was of all the wild claims we've seen on the "Gibson raid" threads in the last few days which manifestly don't stand up in daylight. Gosh, I thought my meaning couldn't have been clearer...

Anyhow. It's all in good humor from this direction, I promise you.

Cheers guys - C

PS: oh, and no apologies needed, by the way. We're all friends here.

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I don't have a stand on any political aspect on this, I posted this
On strat forum solely because I rarely if any never post on the
Other areas, and merely was giving a heads up.
Hey brad, it's cool if you wanna lock this thread.

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The title on this thread, is kind of alarmist.

I refuse to feel criminal about my guitars.

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What is amazing about this issue is that the treaty used to support the raid states that an importer of wood must adhere to the regulations of the country of origin. India has stated on numerous occasions that the export of the wood as Gibson was doing it was perfectly legal.

Indian law says that rosewood cannot be exported in a raw state, that value (labor) must added. That is happening because the wood is processed into fingerboard blanks in India. The US Government is claiming that the adding of inlays and frets should be done in India also, but that is not the claim of the Indian government.

This is wrong and a great example of government overreach.

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Didnt this guy get popped 2 or 3 years ago>? Or was that a different arrest? I thought at that time it was European wood.

So i just looked it up. This is the second time Gibson has been in trouble for wood. The CEO was walked out in cuffs a couple years ago when they found banned woods. I believe it was their acoustic guitar building site. I find it hard to fathom Gibson doing the same thing twice, I havent read the article of the newest charge, nor read all the posts because it gets tiring after the 6th or 7th. Companies do mess up repeatedly though.

You know, I was thinking about that. Do you think Fender "Dropped a Dime" on Gibson?
Or just idiot bueracrats?

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The only reason anyone thinks this has to do with Indian rosewood is because that is what the excitable and rolling eyed Henry Juszkiewicz presumes in the video at the start of this thread. No charges have yet been brought: it is anyone's guess what, if anything, might have been done wrong.

It is a fact that Indian rosewood does not have to be worked into fingerboard blanks before being exported. That is demonstrated by the pronouncements from India itself, from the website tbazzone linked to (above), and by the experience of umpteen guitar builders from Fender to my humble self who are perfectly well able to buy unworked Indian rosewood entirely legally from authorised importers. I bought some raw rosewood just the other day from a CITES compliant importer: it really is not difficult.

The charge against Gibson a couple of years ago was that they imported Madagascan (not Indian) timber illegally, via a circuitous route through Germany as a smokescreen. That case is still outstanding so we don't know whether they will be found guilty or not.

We have no idea what if anything they will be charged with this time: everything we read on it is sheer internet speculation by people who may not know much about it. Everything so far written on this subject needs to be taken with an enormous pinch of salt.

Cheers - C

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