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Post subject: lace sensor Clapton strat + treble bleed mod?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:16 am
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Would this make any sense? Does the boost and TBX already compensate for this? Any Clapton strat owners out there performed this mod? I'm kind of a noob at guitar electronics, sorry.


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Post subject: Re: lace sensor Clapton strat + treble bleed mod?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 3:44 am
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I own a Clapton Strat, but I'm not sure what you're talking about. I've heard of this "Treble Bleed" thing, but I'm not sure what you mean. Could you give me more information.

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Post subject: Re: lace sensor Clapton strat + treble bleed mod?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:52 am
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I cant remember the last time i looked in an EC w/lace. Is the volume pot the same as a regular passive system? 250K,500K etc? or is it like active w/real low value? I'd think with the TBX circuit, it'd be redundant to put a treble bleed kit in, but Im just speculating. You're already able to increase the treble w/active preamp, correct? Im not being sarcastic, I dont have any real experience dealing with those mid boost/TBX circuits.
If I could keep from having to put a treble bleed in, I would. I.E., i have a way to increase treble, a real way in the case of that guitar because it has active electronics. As opposed to appearing to add treble or bass in a passive, when really you're just reducing the frequencies around whatever you're trying to boost.

If its a regular volume pot, I dont see any reason you couldnt do it.


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Post subject: Re: lace sensor Clapton strat + treble bleed mod?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 10:58 am
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I can't remember what pot the volume is, I'll look when I get home tonight.

The active circuit in these guitars seems to work in the mid bass range most prominently, so doesn't add a lot of treble. But, I don't notice a lot of treble roll-off compared with regular passive circuit guitars, which got me thinking that maybe they designed the active circuit to compensate for it, since Clapton rides the volume control exclusively.


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Post subject: Re: lace sensor Clapton strat + treble bleed mod?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 12:39 pm
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Well the active is for the mid-boost, but doesnt turning the TBX increase the treble, or at least the presence?
I've put a lot of treble bleeds in, but to be honest I've never even thought about how to go about it with that passive/active setup they have going on. I cant think of which way to start to look for the right values >/< .001 caps. I dont know if using the mid-boost would affect it, or do nothing at all.
I guess if it isnt a hassle to get to the volume pot to hook up a couple of wires to hook different cap/resistor combo's, it cant hurt to see what would happen.
But if losing treble isnt a real issue, I wouldn't bother, the taper of your volume is going to be affected once you hook something up to the lugs of the volume pot. Sometimes, if the pot already has an unpleasant taper, like the volume just drops off after 5, the resistor may help. But most of the time it tends to take pots that have a good taper, and turn them into one that only affects the volume for a section of the sweep.


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Post subject: Re: lace sensor Clapton strat + treble bleed mod?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:33 pm
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Howdy!

The Volume pot supplied with Fenders Clapton Mid-boost Kit is 50k. As I understand it the Mid boost was designed to try and get a single coil to sound more like a humbucker by increasing the mid range frequencies. The rather healthy 20db increase will easily drive your amp to breaking point, again helping to recreate some humbucking qualities. That's probably not the best description ever but hey! :D

The TBX gives the impression of increasing the treble but its actually just filtering out the lower frequencies from 5-10. From 5-1 it does the opposite and acts similarly to a standard tone control. IMO they work well with the Boost kit but with passive single coils I'm not a fan. I can't see why anyone would want a brighter Strat pup!

If your experiencing treble loss when rolling off the volume then you may be a candidate for the Treble Bleed Mod. Its worth using the forums search function as there are quite a few threads regarding both its application and performance. I honestly have know idea as to its potential effect when used with active system.

Hope this helps...a bit..

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Post subject: Re: lace sensor Clapton strat + treble bleed mod?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:40 pm
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So it's a 50K, not 500K, correct?
Normally I start with a .001uf cap, and a 100k resistor, try it once with them together in series (the lead of capacitor connected to the lead of a resistor, and looks like a long part), and once in parallel (one lead of the cap is soldered to one lead of the resistor, then the other lead is connected to the resistors other leg, so it looks like a 2-step ladder).

But those are using 250,500K pots, and a few on Tele's that used a 1 meg pot (ouch that cuts).
I dont know where to go with a 50K pot. If no one here's done it, another gear forum will have someone. But come back and let me know how it worked out.


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Post subject: Re: lace sensor Clapton strat + treble bleed mod?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 1:59 pm
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windwalker9649 wrote:
So it's a 50K, not 500K, correct?

Yep, 50k.

Its REF No. 13 on the parts list.

http://support.fender.com/service_diagr ... 1_SISD.pdf

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Post subject: Re: lace sensor Clapton strat + treble bleed mod?
Posted: Wed Aug 31, 2011 4:57 pm
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Sorry, missed the question two posts in. A treble bleed, or volume kit, is either a capacitor and resistor or just a capacitor that is soldered to 2 lugs of a volume pot. When you roll back the volume on the guitar (or amp) you end up losing some of your top end frquencies, some guitars guitars more than others. The bleed works like a high pass filter, and lessens the treble loss. If done right with the proper valued cap/resistor for whatever guitar you're doing it to. If you use too high a valued capacitor, it ends up adding treble and making it sound thin.


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