Yes, if you haven't tried it, you don't know. Precisely.

But you've spent this entire thread trying to demonstrate - not from experience, or even from the viewpoint of a skilled luthier, but simply by sitting in front of your computer reasoning it out - that it makes perfect sense, even though you - or a daresay any of us - have ever even SEEN a guitar with this risible treatment applied.

I'll tell how much difference it makes in the sound of a guitar: zip. Zero. None. And here's why: TYOU have more effect on the sound of your guitar than the speaker you play through. The speaker you play through has more affect on your tone than the amp you choose. The amp circuit has more effect than the term bridge materials, which have far more effect than the body and neck wood combined. By the time you get down to crap like roasted necks being more rigid and therefore sounding different, you're dealing with the homeopathy of guitar tone.

You don't have to play one to recognize how little this can possibly mean, or to see it for what it is: another dumb gimmick cooked up to sell guitars to guys who would rather nit-pick construction details than play the damn thing.... the Guitar Aficionado / monster chronograph / walk-in- humidor kind of crashing bore.

Frankly, this is precisely why I stopped visiting guitar forums: because they're overrun with people who have formed massive walls of opinion from nothing more than reading guitar forums.

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Roasted necks--another term for a kiln-dried neck, perhaps at a hotter temp or the wood is allowed to get closer to the heat source, causing the discoloration. Is it different? Maybe just a little bit, but there's more marketing than science behind it.

Hendrix--We don't know, do we?

He might have gone on to form a group like the Mahavishnu Orchestra or he might have gone funk or maybe embraced disco (like Johnny "Guitar" Watson) or he might have gone hard rock or gone polka...we just don't know. Judging from the differences in his recordings, he would have definitely kept changing...it seems he wasn't one to rest on his laurels, and he seemed to get bored with what he had done yesterday.

Had he lived, would he have continued to embrace new technology? Well, he certainly kept Roger Mayer busy, so he might have loved all the stompboxes that came along after his demise...imagine his use of a MXR Phase 90 or an ADA Flanger or a Digitech Whammy (!)...

He didn't seem to have a specific instrument that he continually kept/played above all others--perhaps he did in studio or at home, but he constantly changed what he played in live performances. Would he have stayed with Strats and Flying Vs? Or would he have embraced something like the Parker Fly? ...maybe he would have gone on to help develop the SuperStrats and the Floyd Rose trems--before realizing they screw up your tone and going back to his '68 Strat again...

If he had lived, we would be arguing whether he was better before or after getting clean and sober--or we might be lamenting the fact that he looks like Johnny Winter, old and aged before his time. He might have become a Peter Green or Roky Erickson figure, lost and lonely in the recesses of his mind.

We'd also argue about his fusion jazz album or his recordings with George Clinton or his strange album of duets with Willie Nelson.

We don't know, because we've got most of what he put out to dissect, and he died at age 27.

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Screamin' Armadillos
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You mean like you? You havent tried it, but YOU know that it makes no difference. YOu play a friggin chambered-mahogany strat!! How many people you think believe that probably sounds like garbage becaus they havent tried it. I think you're reasons for not going on forums is probably more than that. You posted the first half of your post giving a long winded opinion, then decry formums because people give long winded opinions. Your taking a small point i made, and are trying to make it my whole point.
I dont know how you start one paragraph saying one thing, then finish it saying the opposite.

Hi Dean,

There will be no audible difference in tone that couldn't be recreated by many other more influential variables such as tone controls on your amp or you guitar, for example.

Andy

Edit by me: My time is best spent elsewhere.

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I like my peanuts Dry Roasted

Help me out, I can't find the sustain adjust on any of my amps!

BTW, no one here is claiming earth shattering differences, nor are they claiming that the difference is more important than any other part of the guitar. It would be nice if the detractors didn't have to exaggerate when voicing their opinion on any tone/sound differences.

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Screamin' Armadillos
Texas Roadhouse Music
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This is a legitimate question and no reason to treat it disrespectfuly. Many respected makes are using them hense the question. New tech comes all the time. Some is snake oil. Forums should be used to discuss these.

You're right, MDRed, but this has turned into a name-calling urination contest, so it needs to be shelved for now.

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Screamin' Armadillos
Texas Roadhouse Music
Guitar/Slide Guitar/Harp/Vocals

Agreed. But no actual discussion is possible, as nobody here has any actual experience with this product. But some of us have become foaming mad at not having their day-dreamed explanations for why this must be a wonderful idea taken without argument.

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You're right it is an absolutely valid question, and people should be able to ask them without getting dressed down for asking. Simmillou(sorry, on my cell, and I can't see how your user name is spelled) is right; no one is saying something like that, if it indeed makes a difference, isn't going to say, make a Strat sound like a Les Paul. But the question was; does it affect the tone? It appears the conscensus runs the range from;"its possible, we haven't tried, but there some basis for it have an affect", to "we haven't tried it, but there's no way its going to make any difference." I think if its "any difference can be altered with changing the controls or EQ on your amp; I consider that a Yes, or else you wouldn't have to change any settings on your amp.
Sorry you couldn't find anyone with one that could say one way or another,. But you may be able to find it on some forum. I could have sweared I saw that there are some Les Pauls that I read the bodies had this treatment on them, I remember because I had no idea what the description meant, it was something about a burned finish, so I have to assume its the same idea. They're not strats, but if they affect that guitar, they'd probably do it on most others.
Personally, I havent had this raise my blood pressure raise a single point, I find this all hillarious.

Cheers.
Sorry, had to clean up my spelling again

I would think to truely answer the question you would need 2 guitars exactly the same except one with a roasted neck and one without. Then you would know if the neck is making a difference. Are there 2 such guitars?

There's probably some shootout somewhere online. I think if theres a difference, you'll probably need good speakers and audio program on your computer. Sometimes, with things like these, you can hear it more with overdrive. One may have more pop than the other, or something. Someone probably has some numbers on it, though numbers arent sound, so i cant decifer them.

Theres so many variables in guitars its hard to tell even to guitar with the same equipment can sound different. Different grain structure. This is why I call BS to me its just a different way to dryout the wood when in the end product there the same if done properly.

Again, (though i dont know if it'll transfer to a neck) Dryer wood sounds pretty different from newer wood with all the sap, oil, and othe moisture in it. (on the same guitar though)
I agree though, that unless you find a significant change (like how a strat changes its tone significantely with a tremolo set flush than it does floating, when I changed a trem from a standard MIM zinc blocked to a Callaham with a steel block, it got much brighter, too bright for me, so i had to float the trem to compensate), you're probably going to have a hard time A/Bing it.
Some people hear more differences than others with changes, these things obviously apply to those people. If you cant hear it, whats the use of changing it, it'll be a waste of money.
My acoustics sound better in the winter than they do in the summer, especially when its really humid out. I wish they were older so I could keep them dryer, but alas, I have a martin 000, that had the top crack; TWICE, the last two winters. SO i HAVE to keep it vigilately humidified in the winter.
AS SHOULD ALL OF YOU. Ive never seen as many acoustics come in for repairs to the tops, bindings, etc. than i did last winter. Being so cold last winter. Martin will not ship new products up to New England during the real cold parts of winter. If the shop doesnt have what you're looking for, you're scewed till spring.

This also a warning to people who may order an acoustic online during the winter; unless you live in a warm climate, bite the bullet, and pay the freight for next day air, or you very wll may end up opening your new guitar to see the a hump in the top by the bridge, or worse, a crack.
This is ESPECIALLY true on; Martin HD's (or any acoustic with scalloped bracing), guitars with solid wood tops, but laminate sides ( the top with expand or contract, but the back and sides will pretty much stay how they are, this will cause cracks.) Guitars with A-top bracing where they move the bracing that runnes perpendicular to the two side braces of the A is set back further away from the sound hole.
THe 000, i got, is actually my younger brothers who bought it to take lessons. It was cheap new, about $500. I was skeptical, but it actually sounded amazing. IT had very little finish on the top so it vibrated more, and just sounded great, epecially for laminate back and sides. Unfortunately, what made it sound so good was its achillies heal. The set the brace on the A back away from the sound hole, this allowed it to vibrate more freely, but it also mode it much less stable. So when the temp outside was really cold (sub 0), and the heat inside was warm and dry; Id have it out, near a window. The two temperatures made the top expand and contract, but the sides stayed rigid. Then it happend; it started as a very thin crack running from the bridge, between the D and G, down to the bottom. THen it got worse, it moved to the other side of the bridge, up to the soundhole, then it moved to the right side of the top, where the fretboard met the top.
Long story short, in the winter, before it cracked, it sounded breat; bold, jangly, crisp. After it broke and i fixed it, it still sounded great. I put an Oasis +(this is an inexpensive, but IMO, and Martin guitars, is the best one to use, though you should make a cutout to put around it to close the soundhole, at least for the first few times you use it, so the humidity stays at the body), after the moisture returned, it wasnt as lively sounding, but it was protected.
As it ages, it doesnt need as much vigilance in the humidy departement, though it cant be neglected, and it sounds better.
I have to REALLy recommend the oasis; its about $15, and i find it does a better job than the more expensive systems.
This guy may notice a marked difference with it, agian, I dont know, but i can see from how the wood/moisture relationship works, that it is POSSIBLE>

I make possible BOLD, because though i NEVER said it would definitely do anything at all, some may want to say that i did.
I would like to know though, so if someone has one and notices a difference, Id like to know. Y
You can Private Message me if you dont want your obsevations attacked by people that for some reason, get so bent out of shape if someone makes an observation different from theirs.