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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:30 am
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Jesus, classical guitars? Did you look for one thing you could disagree with and leap on it? Why didn't you go with a Quattro or something like that? Hendrix would probably be playing an ibamez, why is it dead musicians are relegated to some characture ofb what they were 40 years ago? The guy probably would have moved to R&B, then funk, and probably would have been producing hip hop records. Everyone eslse get to evolve; so why wouldnd a guy who alwsays embraced new technology while he was alive, would choose to freeze himself in 1969? So what, if he was alive now he's be a guy in a walker with a bandand wrapped around a receeding grey afro. I can picture. It now; some guy sitting at Denny's for the early bird special, sitting in beaded fringe, ordering runny eggs and yelling at the wait staff to remember to give him his senior citizen discount, then racing home to watch Fox News before he went to bed, at 630pm.


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Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:38 am
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I still call BS its just drying out the neck. Doesn,t matter how it done it come to the same thing.


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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:44 am
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windwalker9649 wrote:
Jesus, classical guitars? Did you look for one thing you could disagree with and leap on it? Why didn't you go with a Quattro or something like that? Hendrix would probably be playing an ibamez, why is it dead musicians are relegated to some characture ofb what they were 40 years ago? The guy probably would have moved to R&B, then funk, and probably would have been producing hip hop records. Everyone eslse get to evolve; so why wouldnd a guy who alwsays embraced new technology while he was alive, would choose to freeze himself in 1969? So what, if he was alive now he's be a guy in a walker with a bandand wrapped around a receeding grey afro. I can picture. It now; some guy sitting at Denny's for the early bird special, sitting in beaded fringe, ordering runny eggs and yelling at the wait staff to remember to give him his senior citizen discount, then racing home to watch Fox News before he went to bed, at 630pm.


This is all conjecture. Nonetheless, I shall let you have the last word.

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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 5:53 am
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Jesus, classical guitars? Did you look for one thing you could disagree with and leap on it? Why didn't you go with a Quattro or something like that? Hendrix would probably be playing an ibamez, why is it dead musicians are relegated to some characture ofb what they were 40 years ago? The guy probably would have moved to R&B, then funk, and probably would have been producing hip hop records. Everyone eslse get to evolve; so why wouldnd a guy who alwsays embraced new technology while he was alive, would choose to freeze himself in 1969? So what, if he was alive now he's be a guy in a walker with a bandand wrapped around a receeding grey afro. I can picture. It now; some guy sitting at Denny's for the early bird special, sitting in beaded fringe, ordering runny eggs and yelling at the wait staff to remember to give him his senior citizen discount, then racing home to watch Fox News before he went to bed, at 630pm.

What a crock of #@#$$%^&&*
you'll get old someday maybe,until then spellcheck is your friend....and if you knew what you were talking about,you would have an idea that Hendrix already played funk and R&B...long before '69.
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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:05 am
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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:13 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
windwalker9649 wrote:
Jesus, classical guitars? Did you look for one thing you could disagree with and leap on it? Why didn't you go with a Quattro or something like that? Hendrix would probably be playing an ibamez, why is it dead musicians are relegated to some characture ofb what they were 40 years ago? The guy probably would have moved to R&B, then funk, and probably would have been producing hip hop records. Everyone eslse get to evolve; so why wouldnd a guy who alwsays embraced new technology while he was alive, would choose to freeze himself in 1969? So what, if he was alive now he's be a guy in a walker with a bandand wrapped around a receeding grey afro. I can picture. It now; some guy sitting at Denny's for the early bird special, sitting in beaded fringe, ordering runny eggs and yelling at the wait staff to remember to give him his senior citizen discount, then racing home to watch Fox News before he went to bed, at 630pm.

What a crock of #@#$$%^&&*
you'll get old someday maybe,until then spellcheck is your friend....and if you knew what you were talking about,you would have an idea that Hendrix already played funk and R&B...long before '69.
Reserve your own spot at Denney's. :mrgreen:


Really? Wow, thanks for the insite, I never knew that, I was just speculating, well thanks for the wise words. So, is it crock, or would he have probably totally gone to playing it. Sorry, I can't sit it front of a computer all day, I have to knockthese out on my phone, so I'm sorry if the fact that I don't want to sit on it and review everything I typed. But maybe if I try really hard, maybe some day ill be able to have the time to put up 2600 posts on 1 forum in a year,. Ill probably never get to it, but you've given ma a goal to shoot for.So, that's what you got? My spelling, whew, that's a tough one to come back from, I got to go into work, you gave me a lot to think of though, so thanls for that.


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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:20 am
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windwalker9649 wrote:
Jesus, classical guitars? Did you look for one thing you could disagree with and leap on it? Why didn't you go with a Quattro or something like that? Hendrix would probably be playing an ibamez, why is it dead musicians are relegated to some characture ofb what they were 40 years ago? The guy probably would have moved to R&B, then funk, and probably would have been producing hip hop records. Everyone eslse get to evolve; so why wouldnd a guy who alwsays embraced new technology while he was alive, would choose to freeze himself in 1969? So what, if he was alive now he's be a guy in a walker with a bandand wrapped around a receeding grey afro. I can picture. It now; some guy sitting at Denny's for the early bird special, sitting in beaded fringe, ordering runny eggs and yelling at the wait staff to remember to give him his senior citizen discount, then racing home to watch Fox News before he went to bed, at 630pm.

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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:32 am
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He might have gone to bluesy roots, jazz, r&b, I really have no idea. The point I was making, that seemed to have been lost on my own private proofreader, was he probably wouldn't have been doing the same thing he was doing back then. Maybe he would though, there is almost a that you'll sell out shows if you play all your old stuff. But I'm sure even if he did, there would have been a few decades of playing different music than he did in woodstock 40+ years ago.


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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 6:46 am
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Vehemently, passionately, even angrily defending a technology one has no direct experience with, while taking the discussion spiraling away from its original subject until one is arguing semantics, spelling and the unknowable.

I think a couple of you guys are actually the same person. And I suspect that you like arguing more than you like making music.

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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:06 am
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I'm just arguing to leave the room for possiblity that it might be different. I never claimed it did, or that I knew anything about it. Im just saying that there's a possibility that it can. I wont close the door on anything I havent tried yet.


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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:21 am
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There's only one of me. Hopefully my posts are concise and legible.

I was compelled to comment on the Hendrix speculation ,but quickly steered my post back to the topic.

Hey, those "roasted" maple necks look nice don't they?

I doubt they have a different tone though.


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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 7:33 am
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Not to stray too far from the original post, I have wondered if any of the guitar makers have used a process to stain the necks similar to what the old time gun makers used to bring out the color in their maple rifle stocks. Having studied the subject some and after building a couple of Kentucky/Pennsylvania style flintlock rifles, I have wondered if the same processes could be used on a guitar neck. The gun maker would use chromium trioxide crystals disolved in water and then brush this solution on the tiger striped maple wood and then watch it until the desired stripe was produced and then flush it with water to stop the coloring process. This made the stripes in the wood darker. After the wood dried sufficiently they would rub the wood with boiled linseed oil daily sometimes for a couple of weeks and possibly longer to obtain a really nice finish. I would think using a urethane top coat might be better than the oiled finish. Anyway just a thought. :idea:

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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:03 am
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Not to stray too far from the original post, I have wondered if any of the guitar makers have used a process to stain the necks similar to what the old time gun makers used to bring out the color in their maple rifle stocks. Having studied the subject some and after building a couple of Kentucky/Pennsylvania style flintlock rifles, I have wondered if the same processes could be used on a guitar neck. The gun maker would use chromium trioxide crystals disolved in water and then brush this solution on the tiger striped maple wood and then watch it until the desired stripe was produced and then flush it with water to stop the coloring process. This made the stripes in the wood darker. After the wood dried sufficiently they would rub the wood with boiled linseed oil daily sometimes for a couple of weeks and possibly longer to obtain a really nice finish. I would think using a urethane top coat might be better than the oiled finish. Anyway just a thought. :idea:


I'm sure there are some that do something similiar, but the majority are shot with a spray like an autobody place would do on a car's finish. A kind of process you're talking about is more likely to be done by a small builder, making real high end instruments, and maybe a custom shop/masterbuilt. I'm sure that has a bit to do with the pricetag. Ive seen some of the PRS Private stock do a staining like that, I dont know if they get the finsh in that process, but they apply it like that, but rubbing it in.


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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:29 am
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Good point windwalker9649,

Many of these comparatively exotic wood treatments and other accessories may not become popular for the masses simply because they are expensive, therefore relegated to those few who can afford them. Since not many can afford a Vibro King, the claims of its great sound must be hype, because all amps would be Vibro Kings if the claims were true. :roll: I think that it is very narrow-minded to assume that something new is "bogus" simply because it isn't on every cheap guitar, making it appear "popular", and therefore "valid". :idea:

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Post subject: Re: roasted maple neck
Posted: Fri Aug 12, 2011 8:45 am
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Good point windwalker9649,

Many of these comparatively exotic wood treatments and other accessories may not become popular for the masses simply because they are expensive, therefore relegated to those few who can afford them. Since not many can afford a Vibro King, the claims of its great sound must be hype, because all amps would be Vibro Kings if the claims were true. :roll: I think that it is very narrow-minded to assume that something new is "bogus" simply because it isn't on every cheap guitar, making it appear "popular", and therefore "valid". :idea:



THANK YOU! That's all im saying, If you haven't tried it, you dont' know, so don't close yourself off to the possibility that something new, may actually have a benefit. The roasted, baked, deep fried neck may not do anything, but there is some basis in the fact that dry wood sounds different from wood that still has moisture in it, so maybe it does.
I personally don't really like Floyd Rose, but it does serve a purpouse, and it does what it claims to do. So just because I personally dont like what it does to the sound, or the hassle of changing strings or setting it up, doesnt mean it doesnt serve the next guy well. I'm sure when that came out, some of the same things were being said about it. Just like when Les Paul wanted to come out with a solid body (though there were a few small quantities being made), everyone was using hollowbody archtops, and said; it would be stupid, it wouldnt work, it would sound terrible, etc. That opinion, at least for the majority of players, is no longer conventional wisdom.


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