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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:27 am
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Phostenix wrote:
ctguy,

I see an error in that drawing. The Model E switch is an odd bird. Terminal 6 is connected to Terminal 3 in position 3 and to Terminal 4 in position 2. Terminal 3 is the output, Terminal 4 is normally ground. It's intended to be used for a 4 conductor bridge humbucker & it swaps the split (inside or outside coil) in positions 2 & 3. If you are wiring it for single coils - which is essentially what you are doing here - you can't ground terminal 4 or you will short the bridge pup to ground in position 2.

If you look at Eyb's instructions for the E model, you'll see that they leave terminal 4 open when the bridge pup is connected to both Terminals 6 & 7 with 3 single coils. I guess they are assuming that people know to ground all the pup wires in that scenario.

http://www.eyb-guitars.de/Eyb-English/M ... ch%20E.pdf


What pot did you get for the blender?




Your model E pdf shows how the middle position can be used to have on the neck and bridge humbuckers....That is all I ever asked of the company who drew up the diagram for me.....and then anything else was icing on the cake. I liked the idea of getting as many sounds as I could out of the strat. I thought the blender was a Dimarzio, but I cant find the info, sorry about that.


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:31 am
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shimmilou wrote:
Can you blame them for going away? :lol: Using two different wiring diagrams, and deviating from both with unknown changes, using different parts than shown in the diagrams, just adds to the confusion. You can accomplish the split coil and blender with much less wiring and components than you have now. I agree with the previous posts, it is unclear exactly what you want, or even if it can work with the components that you have. If it were me helping, I would need to have the pick guard in front of me and use a meter to see what in the heck is actually going on in that mess of wiring. IMO you have a case of over-engineering for starters (like the circuit board and terminal strips on the back of the volume pot). And, there is no circuit diagram of the volume pot connections, so who knows what is going on there.

As an example of too much, the four green wires with wire nut that are coming from the terminal strip, should be replaced with small jumpers at the terminal strip. Neat, electrically better, no added clutter. Actually, I would ditch the "liberator" altogether, unless you plan on changing your pup every other day. :idea:



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I see now where I did use two different ones......I am very sorry.........they sent me about 7 different ones and I did not mean to screw up and post two different ones...Im so sorry !!!!

I did follow the top one that has the PG on the right with all the wiring........ and I reposted a larger drawing of that on the first page and took the wrong one off.


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 5:43 am
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:lol: That's all that I meant, showing two different diagrams added to the confusion. Kind of like "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" - Wizard of OZ. No biggie, sounds like it is being sorted out here. :)

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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:29 am
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shimmilou wrote:
:lol: That's all that I meant, showing two different diagrams added to the confusion. Kind of like "pay no attention to that man behind the curtain" - Wizard of OZ. No biggie, sounds like it is being sorted out here. :)


All this started when I bought an american made start and had two SSS guitars and the american one had such a nicer neck, I was never going to play the MIM one. By putting in the two seymore duncans, and adding a push pull to split the neck 4 wire and a blender, I felt I would at least play the MIM as it would sound way different and would not just sit and collect dust.

I have caused many heartaches with this, but I really appreciate all of the help I am getting !!!

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I sold a telescope in order to buy the Mesa Boogie setup, but then afterwards, I went to guitar center and tried out a fender amp and I really liked the sound........Too late to bring it back now, I only had 30 days to change my mind, but I also saw a used fender mia with a H H setup and it sounded soooooooo great in that fender amp....and they only wanted 600 bucks for it and it had the locking tuners and special roller nut..... live and learn.


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:41 am
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http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics ... _Pots.html


I found the blender, its a stewmac........... 500 k one

They even give you a diagram on their website !!!!!

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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 6:50 am
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Awesome Strats! No heartache here for anyone, I'm sure. Most of us enjoy doing this, and as has been stated "enjoy a good challenge", and will certainly help you to figure this out. Both of your Strats are excellent, and the MIM is stunning, both in looks and your setup selections. You must be very anxious to actually hear it's sound. :D

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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:00 am
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ctguy1955 wrote:
http://www.stewmac.com/shop/Electronics,_pickups/Potentiometers/Blend_Pots.html


I found the blender, its a stewmac........... 500 k one

They even give you a diagram on their website !!!!!

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Good. Then it should be the right pot for what you want to do. That "stereo" blender diagram is what I'm going to use. It works like a balance knob on a stereo (if people still remember those :) ).

Question:

I remember you saying something about changing the bridge pup to a white one. Is that still in the plans? The Liberator can handle two 4-wire humbuckers or one 4-wire humbucker & 2 single coils. It doesn't have enough screw terminals for an HSH setup with two 4-wire humbuckers.

SO, all that to ask - should I draw it up with the 2 humbuckers connected to the Liberator & the middle pup soldered to the 5-way so that you can at least swap out 4-wire neck & bridge humbuckers down the road without soldering?

Also, if that's the case, would you like me to draw it up so that you can wire both neck & bridge to split when you pull the push-pull pot? It wouldn't be used with your current brdige pup, but would be ready for a 4-wire bridge pup when you got it.


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 8:25 am
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Hmm. Because of the way the Megaswitch E switches, if you wire it up for a normal 4-wire bridge humbucker setup, your current 2-wire pup won't work right if the Megaswitch is grounded at pin 4.

We can set this up for your current parts & then you'll have to change it later if you switch to a 4-wire bridge.

There really aren't any options with that 5-way. It's setup to do variations on a basic theme. So, let's just shoot for this and go from there:

1. Bridge HB
2. Middle & Bridge HB
3. Neck HB & Bridge HB
4. Middle & Neck HB
5. Neck HB

Push-pull to split the Neck at any time.
The way this 5-way switches, if you want the Neck pup to autosplit in position 4, it also has to split in position 3.
Blend pot setup as a balance control on the Neck & Bridge pups.
Single master tone control.
Let me know how you want the Liberator wired up.


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:11 am
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How big are the screw terminal holes on the Liberator? Can you get 2 pickups wires in one hole?

Will the braided shield wire on your Bridge pup fit into one of the screw terminal holes on the Liberator?

With that Megaswitch, you can't ground terminal 4 with this brigdge pup anyway, so i would like to wire this up so that the bridge pup wires are connected to the Liberator. You'll still have to make a change or 2 down the road, but it makes more sense to me to do some of the future wiring now, if possible.


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work2
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 9:30 am
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Howdy Mr C,
Ceri wrote:
What the heck IS that gizmo under the volume knob in this diagram? And what does it have to do with the OP's stated output requirements?

That's the Seymour Duncan Liberator. Its for people who like to swap out their pickups regularly without all the hassle of setting up a soldering iron. Its also got "Solder Pads" on the back which provide multiple ground points and the three terminals usually found on a standard potentiometer. Its one of those components that looks scarier than it really is.
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And seriously, Andy: ignoring the switches and pots already purchased, why don't you show us how you'd achieve the requested sound options, no doubt using much simpler hardware?

Looks like Phostenix is well on the case! I'm more than happy to wait and let him sort out a diagram. I'd be using different components and an alternate blend pot (no load) and wouldn't want to further complicate things for the OP. Of course if it doesn't work out and someone actually wants to use that diagram then I'm happy to sort it out.
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BTW: I'm disappointed in Andy too. I firmly believed he could make the whole thing happen with just an elastic band and a toothpick. And I still do! :D

And then a cure for world poverty, please, oh Hairy One.

Cheers - C

Damn, I'm all out of toothpicks mate... :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:05 pm
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Im so excited !!!! things are finally going to happen !!!!!!!!! I respect your knowledge so much !


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:09 pm
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Phostenix wrote:
How big are the screw terminal holes on the Liberator? Can you get 2 pickups wires in one hole?

Will the braided shield wire on your Bridge pup fit into one of the screw terminal holes on the Liberator?

With that Megaswitch, you can't ground terminal 4 with this brigdge pup anyway, so i would like to wire this up so that the bridge pup wires are connected to the Liberator. You'll still have to make a change or 2 down the road, but it makes more sense to me to do some of the future wiring now, if possible.



I could get two under one lug.......what ever it takes, Im willing to try !!!!! I just want to have all 5 positions on the mega switch E model do SOMETHING and then have the push pull split the neck humbucker and make different sounds and have the blender control the neck and bridge humbuckers, of which only the neck has 4 wires, the middle and bridge have two wires only..........I cant thank you all enough for making me one happy 56 year old !!!!!


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:35 pm
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I'll have some time in a bit to continue working on the drawing. I'll be making a couple of design choices to try to get the most out of the parts you have. That will require a different wiring scheme for the bridge pup. I'll explain it as I go.

Can you post a pic of your blend pot?


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 2:38 pm
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Do you want the middle position to have the neck as a humbucker or autosplit? With that switch, if you want autosplit in position 4, it has to be autosplit in position 3, as well.


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Post subject: Re: Blender does not work
Posted: Sun Jul 31, 2011 3:08 pm
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Just for the record, here's some switching info on the Schaller Megaswitch Model E:

Schaller Megaswitch Model E

Terminals:

1. Connected to Terminal 3 in positions 2 & 4
2. Connected to Terminal 3 in positions 3, 4, & 5
3. Normally connected to the Output
4. Normally connected to Ground
5. Connected to Terminal 4 in positions 3 & 4
6. Connected to Terminal 3 in positions 3 and to Terminal 4 in position 2
7. Connected to Terminal 3 in positions 1 & 2


Switching Arrangement (Terminal Connections):

1 is normally the Middle pup Hot lead
2 is normally the Neck pup Hot lead
3 is Normally Output
4 is normally Ground, except with 3 single coils (not connected)
6 is normally the coil splits of a Bridge humbucker
5 is normally the coil splits of a Neck humbucker
7 is normally the Bridge pup Hot lead


Switching Positions:

1. 7 to 3
2. 7 to 3, 1 to 3, 6 to 4
3. 6 to 3, 2 to 3, 5 to 4
4. 2 to 3, 1 to 3, 5 to 4
5. 2 to 3

More info here:
http://www.eyb-guitars.de/Eyb-English/M ... ch%20E.pdf


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