That makes sense, and in place of nut add in the fret for fretted strings. So, does the material the fret is sitting in matter??

To an extent? To a negligible extent? Not at all?

Beats me!!! I like rosewood on some Fenders, and not as much on others - purely astetic, and what is in stock when I have $$$!

Interesting subject still.

DUH! The Frets! I cannot BELIEVE I didn't account for them as well! Thanks for mentioning them too! Must be getting old....

But it should be the same. Harder chrome frets are supposed to be "Brighter" and brass/bronze frets "warmer" according to the luthier books I've looked at.

.......I like tater tots........that is all

_________________
Live Well Play Hard
2010 American Special Strat<~~My Baby
2001 Squire Strat
2001 DG11
2004 Pro Junior
Digitech RP255
Digitech Hot rod
Digitech Digiverb
Ibanez TS9

[/b]easy , change a well set rosewood neck on your strat or tele to a,well set maple or vice visa and you will hear a difference,then consider the age of each neck,hey not much in it,pickups are choice "

Just thought I'd throw a spanner in the works...



Ooops!! I meant...

_________________

You forgot the Ministar!

I was being a smart $@! and playing on what the poster before me said. He said since the strings don't touch the wood, it has no effect. The whole vibration from the neck to the body effects it's tone. And yes the neck does vibrate, just n a smaller level than the body. And to the pickup question, everyone with an elementary education knows that the strings pass through the magnetic feild of the pickup to produce the electricity that in turn goes out your amp, and then gets turned into waves which our ears then pickup and register as noise. Agian, being a smart $@! to the previous poster.
Hope this clears up some stuff.

_________________
1965 Fender Precision Bass, 1994 Fender '54 Reissue Precision Bass, 2007 Applause Celebrity, 2011 Fender American Special Jazz Bass, 2012 Squier Vintage Modified Jazzmaster, 2013 Fender American Special Stratocaster, 2013 Gibson LPJ

Cool story, you should tell it at partys and maybe you would get some friends.

_________________
1965 Fender Precision Bass, 1994 Fender '54 Reissue Precision Bass, 2007 Applause Celebrity, 2011 Fender American Special Jazz Bass, 2012 Squier Vintage Modified Jazzmaster, 2013 Fender American Special Stratocaster, 2013 Gibson LPJ

We have tater tot parties where we argue in circles about who's opinion is truth and whose perception is fact. I'd ask you to join us but you seem to be busy with the very same endeavor, but please do persist! I do believe when your front meets with your rear you may just find someone who agrees with you. However if you do feel inclined to join me and my friends I'd ask that you don't double dip the tater tots in ketchup, it is most unsanitary.


" It is better to remain silent at the risk of being thought a fool, than to talk and remove all doubt of it." - Maurice Switzer

_________________
Live Well Play Hard
2010 American Special Strat<~~My Baby
2001 Squire Strat
2001 DG11
2004 Pro Junior
Digitech RP255
Digitech Hot rod
Digitech Digiverb
Ibanez TS9

Interesting article about tone woods by a practicing luthier.

http://www.guitarnation.com/articles/calkin.htm

_________________
Live Well Play Hard
2010 American Special Strat<~~My Baby
2001 Squire Strat
2001 DG11
2004 Pro Junior
Digitech RP255
Digitech Hot rod
Digitech Digiverb
Ibanez TS9

Nah, it would be really cool if you would keep your thoughts that don't have to do with the main discussion out of the lounge. I like your lucid, and intelligible rebuttal though. Your wittiness gives me shivers.

_________________
1965 Fender Precision Bass, 1994 Fender '54 Reissue Precision Bass, 2007 Applause Celebrity, 2011 Fender American Special Jazz Bass, 2012 Squier Vintage Modified Jazzmaster, 2013 Fender American Special Stratocaster, 2013 Gibson LPJ

That is an interesting article Carlrinaldi80. I like the part at the beginning where he says that tonewood is a hoax, then immediately says that there is a difference in the tone of the different woods, and that the difference in wood has the "least impact" on the tone, not "no impact", but the least impact.

I think that this statement from a forum member on the other hand is brilliant, and I agree:

"So..the body's sympathetic vibrations from the string have to create a mechanical "feedback" to the string itself, modifying the string's vibration, which, via the magnetic field, transfers it to the pickup as an "altered" sound."

I think that is what many of us are saying, the differences are subtleties and nuances that many people can not detect. But, using words like "hoax" infers that someone is intentionally being misleading. Maybe the retailers want to sell more of certain types of wood? Who would stand to gain anything with such a "hoax"? Certainly not me or anyone that I know.

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.

Sympathetic vibration on the string is disproved by physics. If article A alters article B, then article B alters article A at the same time, you've created perpetual motion.

That and the time sync of the vibration would throw the note right out of tune. In fact you'd find you had a guitar impossible to tune at all. Remember the vibration has to pass both ways through pieces of differing density materials to effect the string. Not only through the nut and saddle to the wood, but at the same time back through them to effect the string. So you have to find some way for all those vibrations to pass freely through multiple density materials in both directions without destroying each other.

Sounds further fetched than the paint notion to me.

Here's a good demonstration of what happens when you bounce back a signal that is too similar to the source signal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DfH-obXEhDE&feature=related

_________________
No no and no

I can feel the string vibrations in my un-amped guitar when I strum it, as I am sure anyone can too. If I we can feel the string vibration in our ribs, the vibrations have to be traveling through the body, true? And, feedback from an amp is a similar phenomenon to the guitar components altering the vibration of the strings. Nothing to do with perpetual motion, and no laws of physics are violated by either, although the feedback from the amp can continue for days if allowed, as long as energy is added via the amp. With perpetual motion, there is no added energy, it is self sustaining. If the vibrations of the strings/guitar caused perpetual motion, it would not fade but would continue, unending until the strings were muted. Same with the amp, unplug it from it's energy source and the sound stops, no perpetual motion there either.

I feel that your are trying to make things seem more complicated that they really are to try and support your position, it is a simple, subtle, harmonic/overtone/vibration kind of a thing, don't over-think it. I believe that Beethoven was hard of hearing also, but still brilliant.

Either way, I aint mad atcha. My mom is hard of hearing also, and even more stubborn than me, but I still love her.

_________________
---> "The amp should be SWITCHED OFF AND UNPLUGGED before you do this!" <---

Por favor, disculpe mi español, no se llega a la práctica con mucha frecuencia.

I'm not at all hard of hearing I just don't have a tendency to let a fallacy run away with me or a over active imagination.

You obviously in spite of hard evidence can't change your mind. I never denied string vibration going into the body. It's the return journey affecting the vibration of the string to any kind of recognizable degree. Physically it can't happen and the guitar retain a clear note that sustains any more than a millisecond. It's not even the way acoustic guitars work, they take in the sound of the string through the soundhole. Then amplify that through the top, back and walls of the body. It's certainly not the way electric guitars work.

_________________
No no and no