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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:00 am
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Rebelsoul wrote:
Yeah you can hear more differences when the guitar isn't plugged in...that's apparent...but when the guitar is plugged into the amp,the simple turn of a tone knob will make more difference in the signal that the amp receives than all the tone wood ever put into a guitar.
You will never hear anything as dramatic as that change....and all that comes from a tone pot and a 1/2 watt signal of the Strat pickup. :wink:


Well it really comes down to opinion some say they can hear it and others say that they cant and it will always be that way and I'm just one who thinks he hears it as maple brighter and rosewood warmer.Yes it electronic signal but if comes from the stings that are tense against parts of the guitar and also if you or others are close to the guitar (like playing at home for fun or something) you can still hear the sound being given from the guitar which I like :)


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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:01 am
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Fallen, most here don't have a problem with opinion. I certainly don't as long as I'm allowed to voice mine without fear of insulting reprisal.
Whatever you hear, don't hear, think you may hear, that's your business. All I hope is that it makes your guitar playing experience more enjoyable. Without bogging you down to rigmarole like rules of supposed truths. Enjoy a bit of freedom. :)

I wouldn't argue that a guitar body vibrates. However in my experience that means so little in the world of electric guitars that it is untrue. For one the only thing a electric guitar pickup see's is the vibrational arc of the string. Every single guitar builder of note on the planet will tell you that.
My whole problem comes down to the supposition that a vibrating string acting on a piece of wood can then be influenced by that same bit of wood it's acting on. That sounds like perpetual motion to me. We don't all play guitars that have indefinite sustain. Then when you look at the physics of a soundwave or a vibration passing through multiple layers of differing density materials. The wave becomes so compressed then expanded, then compressed again (example) that it is more or less destroyed (the exact principle modern soundproofing is based on). Let alone ask that then destroyed wave to pass back through the materials it has just been through and remain strong enough to act on the string so the pickup can see the difference.
I would in all fairness have to agree that the strength of a neck joint makes way more difference to sound. How it responds to pressure thereby affecting the vibrational arc of the string being the main deciding factor in how a guitar would sound if all pickups were identical.

BTW Even Paul Reed Smith claims that fingerboard material makes no difference to the sound of a guitar.
Supposedly.
I've never read it first hand and couldn't link to a page quoting it. That in all fairness doesn't read as being credible does it?
My point being that we can all make claims. And no one can really argue with them. All we can do is simply state opinion and shouldn't fear reprisal for our opinions.

What I would also ask is why does maple supposedly sound brighter than rosewood?

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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:14 am
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nikininja wrote:
Fallen, most here don't have a problem with opinion. I certainly don't as long as I'm allowed to voice mine without fear of insulting reprisal.
Whatever you hear, don't hear, think you may hear, that's your business. All I hope is that it makes your guitar playing experience more enjoyable. Without bogging you down to rigmarole like rules of supposed truths. Enjoy a bit of freedom. :)

I wouldn't argue that a guitar body vibrates. However in my experience that means so little in the world of electric guitars that it is untrue. For one the only thing a electric guitar pickup see's is the vibrational arc of the string. Every single guitar builder of note on the planet will tell you that.
My whole problem comes down to the supposition that a vibrating string acting on a piece of wood can then be influenced by that same bit of wood it's acting on. That sounds like perpetual motion to me. We don't all play guitars that have indefinite sustain. Then when you look at the physics of a soundwave or a vibration passing through multiple layers of differing density materials. The wave becomes so compressed then expanded, then compressed again (example) that it is more or less destroyed (the exact principle modern soundproofing is based on). Let alone ask that then destroyed wave to pass back through the materials it has just been through and remain strong enough to act on the string so the pickup can see the difference.
I would in all fairness have to agree that the strength of a neck joint makes way more difference to sound. How it responds to pressure thereby affecting the vibrational arc of the string being the main deciding factor in how a guitar would sound if all pickups were identical.

BTW Even Paul Reed Smith claims that fingerboard material makes no difference to the sound of a guitar.
Supposedly.
I've never read it first hand and couldn't link to a page quoting it. That in all fairness doesn't read as being credible does it?
My point being that we can all make claims. And no one can really argue with them. All we can do is simply state opinion and shouldn't fear reprisal for our opinions.

What I would also ask is why does maple supposedly sound brighter than rosewood?



Well even as also suggested he to is just human with opinions even though he is and expert at what he does :) and Im glad you think that way about the playing experience :D Oh edit - An it sounds brighter to me best I can say is to me more Tinny like a higher pitch/tone like the bright setting on my Fender 2x12 hot rod deville and the rosewood just a deeper/lower tone its not a huge huge diffrence and I like I said the feel but I can hear it once again thats just me xD


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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 9:53 am
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I'd like very much to explain to me why my MIM Strat with the rosewood board sounds so much brighter than my MIM with the maple board.This alone plus the experience of fellow forumite Blinkers with his maple and rosewood board Strats blows the maple is brighter statement out of the water.AS I have stated before I have played many mellow maple board Strats and many very bright rosewood board Strats.If these anomilies can exist that proves beyond a doubt that the maple/rosewood legend is just that-purely legend.

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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 10:11 am
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I think you can hear more difference between two identical guitars due to the varying tolerance of the tone pots' resistance, or the slight differences on the height of the pickups than the material that serves the role to be the very top layer of a neck.
Don't forget both necks are maple wood in basic. The rosewood, in rosewood necks is only a 17% of it (just measured it, in height).
I had two Strats in my life. A MIJ with a maple neck and Texas Specials and now, a MIA with rosewood neck and also Texas Specials.
Although I sold the MIJ before getting the MIA and the two guitars never coexisted under the same roof, I don't think I remember any difference through my SCXD.

I guess I shouldn't be playing guitar either....
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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 12:40 pm
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Last time I checked an argument takes two people. So I fail to see how this is COMPLETELY my fault... And if I remeber correctly, nikininja attacked me first.... I know we have disagreeing arguments, but you don't have to call me a baffoon because of it. I am sorry if I offended you..... and I hope you can forgive me. Let's just put this behind us and look to the future as coexisting guitar players.

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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 1:40 pm
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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 2:17 pm
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Ok this is what I don't #$@*&!% understand.... you say you don't appreicate being called these things, but then you go ahead and call me those same things once more. Way the be a hypocrite. Once again I'll be the bigger person here and ask for forgiveness AGAIN. Wait, on second thought, I don't really want it from you. So other people I might have offended I am seriously sorry and hope you have the kindness in your heart to forgive me, unlike the very talented, excellent guitar player, and good looking nikininja.

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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 3:00 pm
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Is this the end of it? ....gone.

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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:20 pm
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nikininja wrote:
You forgot to mention unforgiving in your very accurate description of me. Oh I'm not being hypocritical at all, I genuinely think that what I wrote about you to be correct. It would be hypocritical of me to say I didn't.


not pointing fingers but I think we should move on from this argument since the post was for a maple/rosewood question and its sort of drifting away :)


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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Sun Jul 10, 2011 4:25 pm
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nikininja wrote:
You forgot to mention unforgiving in your very accurate description of me. Oh I'm not being hypocritical at all, I genuinely think that what I wrote about you to be correct. It would be hypocritical of me to say I didn't.


not pointing fingers but I think we should move on from this argument since the post was for a maple/rosewood question and its sort of drifting away :)

Hahahaha AMEN. This is turning into a personal vendetta for someone. Any way nick, your forgot to mention what makes you so qualified in the chemistry of guitars. I guess Anglo-Saxons are just gifted in that department.

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Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 5:24 am
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xFallenx wrote:
nikininja wrote:
You forgot to mention unforgiving in your very accurate description of me. Oh I'm not being hypocritical at all, I genuinely think that what I wrote about you to be correct. It would be hypocritical of me to say I didn't.


not pointing fingers but I think we should move on from this argument since the post was for a maple/rosewood question and its sort of drifting away :)

These discussions always turn out this way it seems.
before the internet came along the only arguments I ever heard were mainly Fender vs. Gibson....and since they were face to face...any name calling or insults could result in broken noses or missing teeth. :(


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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 6:49 am
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Oh and you were being hypocritical, such as you don't like people calling people other names. But then you go ahead and do it. That's being hypocritical MATE.
Oh and again your qualitfications, not just being the pompous bastard you are.

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Post subject: Re: Neck - Maple or Rosewood - Does it Make a Difference
Posted: Mon Jul 11, 2011 8:08 am
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A tele sounds different than a strat sounds different than a les paul. But a strat with a maple neck or a strat with a rosewood neck still sounds like a strat to me. I've had them both, and I'll admit that the maple neck took a little getting used to. Why wouldn't it? Every other guitar I've touched has had a rosewood or similar type of fretboard. As far as the difference in sound, the rosewood strat was a 97 American Standard, and the maple is a 2009 American Standard. The saddles are different, the pickups are different, the tuners are different. Who's to say which one is naturally brighter or darker considering the specifications were so dramatically changed over 12 years? After being around this hobby the better part of 2 decades and making some of my buying decisions based on hype such as this, I'm more and more inclined to believe that it IS all in the fingers.


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