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Post subject: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:33 pm
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Just curious, how many springs are installed on your tremolo? What size strings do you use? Why do you have it set up the way you do? As you might guess, I'm trying to learn something here.


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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 2:35 pm
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I have 4 Strats. All have 5 springs and are setup to float. Using either 9's or 10's.

I don't use the trem much, but want it usable.

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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 3:55 pm
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My 1971 Strat came fitted with five springs, but had the usual heavy guage strings of that era.
When I went to 10s, I removed two spring.
All of my other strats came with, and still have three springs, which in my view, are best for the modern lighter guage strings.
The previous poster is correct in that you can fit five springs for greater stability, but the tremolo would be much harder to move, that being the reason why I removed two from my 1971.


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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:04 pm
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I have three springs positioned like this I I I
I have the bridge set to float, and I'm using .09's. I'm only using nines because that's what it came with, and that's the size of the free pack I got with it. The next time I change strings I will change it to .10's


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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:08 pm
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Mine are pretty much stock as they came from the factory. 3 springs set to float with 9s. I have experimented with other nos of springs, different postions and float height but I always end up back at the original settings. Just works for me...My only complaint is the darned screw in trem arms and I'm not a big fan of their new stamped saddles either. But callouses have abated the saddle problem. :|


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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 4:11 pm
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5 Springs.
Decked and Blocked.
.10s.


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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Thu Jun 30, 2011 7:47 pm
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5 springs, decked (not blocked) with 10's. seldom use the trem, but like having the option if I want it.


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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:26 am
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Yep five springs on the deck 11s still can bend the trem down up.Cheers..From..Aus.


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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 2:36 am
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I have three springs positioned like this I I I
I have the bridge set to float, and I'm using .09's. I'm only using nines because that's what it came with, and that's the size of the free pack I got with it. The next time I change strings I will change it to .10's


All my Strats are like this. High five! :D

I've been using 10s for some time, it makes a great difference to the sound.

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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:54 am
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Three springs, D'Addario flat wound 12-52s on both Strats


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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 5:59 am
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Three triangulated; block floating; standard 9 gauge string set.

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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:44 am
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Does this include all 2 point, 6 point and FloydRose or Schaller Strat models?

Size of strings you can go with whatever for comfort, scale length, sustain/tone, ease of play (string height). You should check the setup of your guitar after changing them. The nut especially as the slots may need widening.

People who put lots of springs in them are often flattening the trem against the body. This pretty much disables it and is one of several ways to go about it. But as for floating trem setups read on...

I use 1 spring so that the full reverberation of the strings are transferred directly into the pickup instead of drowned out and lost in the guitars body. ;)

See if you put enough science into it anything sounds good :).
Actually I *really* use whatever the guitar comes with and most of the time its 3 (or 2 very heavy springs). In fact the string gauge and spring type has most to do with how many you physically need.

Check these videos out on setups (very interesting)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iy-F7iSIopA
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ZnQt9yiBMg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Jz4IkQraN4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O0Oyc6slYRc

Truth of the matter is that floating bridge height affects pitch bending up and down.
An angled claw won't change this. Nor will it improve tuning stability.

Assuming two important factors that when playing the strings and springs don't stretch The only thing that will cause the trem to not return to its natural floating position is the problems that plague all sorts of models.

Lets start at the top of the guitar.
The strings need to be wrapped on the tuner in a non slipping fashion and minimize additional string windings which can take a while to tighten up.
Strings bind in the string trees and in the nut especially if the gauge has been changed from the original setup.
If this happens fix it by getting it slotted properly or lubricate it a little.
The strings themselves need to be stretched in several times up and down their full length before you expect them to hold perfect tune after playing a while.
The pivot action of the bridge can move (or posts be damage) this can be hard to detect.
Then make sure no binding is occurring on the saddles and you are using a quality set of strings that does not slip on the ball end.

Last it leaves tone on a floating trem.
Will adding more springs produce a better tone? Maybe maybe not.
Probably vibrate more or would that be more equal?. Some people get bad spring vibration to start with. You can reduce unwanted noise by changing springs or lubricating the contact points in the trem block and claw.

Consider that only two chunky screws are connecting those springs to the body.
Sonically I would imagine that the limiting factor. Still Carl Verheyen sounds good (on 3 springs).


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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 7:49 am
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tvr1979 wrote:
Just curious, how many springs are installed on your tremolo? What size strings do you use? Why do you have it set up the way you do? As you might guess, I'm trying to learn something here.


I use five with my strat but the 'Raw Vintage' springs I use are designed to be used in sets of 4-5. I use five of them on my Floyd and they are stunning IMHO. I highly recommend these stupid little springs!

http://www.rawvintage.com/eng/item_springs.php

This Fender forum thread is a little old, but the people that ended up trying them seemed to love 'em.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=47290

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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 9:04 am
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Most of my Strats have all 5 springs and are decked except for my MIM lefty Strat that's strung for right although that too will soon have 5 springs.I use and have used D'Addario 8-38s as I do very very deep bending most times going 3 whole steps, or more if I'm having a good day.I find that by using all 5 springs and decking the vibrato,it comes back right in tune every time.

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Post subject: Re: How many tremolo springs are in your Strat?
Posted: Fri Jul 01, 2011 12:13 pm
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None on my newest one.

Its a hardtail :mrgreen:

All my other Strats have 5 springs and decked trems. I use D'Addario 10s on all of them.


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