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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 6:07 am
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The neck radius on my prototype guitar is 7.5''.

7,25'' radius.

Yah...thanks. That typo was writ very early in the a.m.

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 7:52 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
chromeface wrote:
The neck radius on my prototype guitar is 7.5''.

7,25'' radius.

Yah...thanks. That typo was writ very early in the a.m.


So Doc you been playing it a while now what do you think?
You like the investment?

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:13 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
chromeface wrote:
The neck radius on my prototype guitar is 7.5''.

7,25'' radius.

Yah...thanks. That typo was writ very early in the a.m.


So Doc you been playing it a while now what do you think?
You like the investment?

What's not to like. :?: :wink: Taking it to my tech on Tuesday. Should be a tad better after its physical.

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:37 am
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What's not to like. :?: :wink: Taking it to my tech on Tuesday. Should be a tad better after its physical.



Sounds good Doc I am so happy for you and have been following this closely :)
Keep the good news flowing my brother.

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 8:57 am
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[quote="donnycraven] Keep the good news flowing my brother.[/quote]


Distilling down much of what has been written about the inception of this project actually starts out in the very early history of the Custom Shop as what was supposed to be a version of '57RI they were building at the time, and what Eric likely 'really wanted' was what Fender was to do years later as the Blackie Tribute guitar, with some HB moxie. Ultimately, the neck design and electronics were finessed to his liking, and is what we have had across these past 25 years, with a new type of pickup since '01.. The one additional finesse I would have given the Clapton would have been the soft vintage contours and the deep offset waist cut of the '57 model which these do NOT have. They are a bit too 'square' looking for me. The other thing I would suggest to you, based upon something my tech told me, is that Eric's guitars are likely very carefully set up and individually fret dressed radius wise to enable him to get those singing sustained notes high on the neck with a 9.5 radius board. I say that because we were discussing the fact that this prototype has the vintage 7.25, 21 fret neck which was ultimately changed. He told me he could redress the frets to a 12r to eliminate the noting out during stringbending high on the neck. [If you look at the specs on the NEW Vintage American Hotrod '57, it features a D-neck profile with a compound radius neck which runs from 7.25-12 for that very reason.] I told him that had reached the point in my life where I was not that 'nutsy' any longer, and would rather not alter the guitar. But those are the little tweaks which artist's techs do that we never hear about. Were I still playing professionally, and tone-freaking as many of us do, I'ld likely have no qualms about modding my primary coin earner. Under those circumstances, it becomes a tool of the trade and should be designed to serve, of course. I've actually had in my hands, in a Guitar Center Platinum Room, several years back, a very, very heavy relicked SB2 version of the guitar done by Krause, without EC's signature, but the guitar in every respect. A dislike for high coin investment in relic finishes is something my spouse and I agree on. Even my Gilmour is NOS.

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:15 am
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[quote="donnycraven] Keep the good news flowing my brother.[/quote]

Will do. Distilling down much of what has been written about it, this project actually starts out in the very early history of the Custom Shop as what was supposed to be a version of '57RI, and what Eric likely 'really wanted' was what Fender was to do years later as the Blackie Tribute guitar, with some HB moxie. Ultimately, the neck design and electronics were finessed to his liking to what we have today with a new type of pickup. The one additional finesse I would have given this would be the soft vintage contours and the deep offset waist cut of the '57 model which these do NOT have. They are a bit to 'square' looking. The other thing I would suggest to you, based upon something my tech told me, is that Eric's guitars are likely very carefully set up and individually fret dressed radius wise to enable him to get those singing sustained notes high on the neck with a 9.5 radius. I say that because we were discussing the fact that this prototype has the vintage 7.25, 21 fret neck which was changed. He told me he could redress the frets to a 12r to eliminate the noting out during stringbending high on the neck. [If you look at the specs on the NEW Vintage American Hotrod '57, it features a D-neck profile with a compound radius neck which runs from 7.25-12 for that very reason.] I told him that had reached the point in my life where I was not that 'nutsy' any longer, and would rather not alter the guitar. But those are the little tweaks which artist's techs do that we never hear about.[/quote]



Well I never heard it described technically but I did that very thing many times.
I had a 08 American Standard and an 09 Highway 1 brought to me that the action couldn't be low.
Every time it was and you pull between like 15th and 20th fret it would doink out.
So I got the 24 inch machinist straight edge out and a flashlight and laid it down frets,
nope neck was straight.
So I said leave it I fix it.
What I did was mask it 12 to 22 fret, sharpie marker colored every fret.
Took a 6 inch straight edge steel rule applied hard even pressure dragging it across those frets evenly.
This scrapped a mark were I was getting the fret out.
I then took the fret file and rubbed those out and polished them.
Problem solved.

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Sun Oct 20, 2013 9:32 am
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There ya go :!: 8)

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:20 am
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ZZDoc wrote:
Eric's guitars are likely very carefully set up and individually fret dressed radius wise to enable him to get those singing sustained notes high on the neck with a 9.5 radius board. I say that because we were discussing the fact that this prototype has the vintage 7.25, 21 fret neck which was ultimately changed.


I wonder for which reason Eric finally decided to not include a compound radius neck on his personal guitars.

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 11:54 am
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I wonder for which reason Eric finally decided to not include a compound radius neck on his personal guitar?

Other than suffering from 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' syndrome, my guitar tech, from whom I just returned, can re-radius 9.5r frets to 12r without touching the neck wood. I may have him do that with my '57VHR, and my VG. I'll leave my Claptons and my Gilmour out of it. We discussed the likelihood that Clapton's guitars are set up and tweaked so he can generate those singing, sustained notes high on the neck, with ease and that's before we consider the EQ'ing of his sound system. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:10 pm
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ZZDoc wrote:
chromeface wrote:
I wonder for which reason Eric finally decided to not include a compound radius neck on his personal guitar?

Other than suffering from 'if it ain't broke don't fix it' syndrome, my guitar tech, from whom I just returned, can re-radius 9.5r frets to 12r without touching the neck wood. I may have him do that with my '57VHR, and my VG. I'll leave my Claptons and my Gilmour out of it. We discussed the likelihood that Clapton's guitars are set up and tweaked so he can generate those singing, sustained notes high on the neck, with ease and that's before we consider the EQ'ing of his sound system. :wink:


Then you'll be YngwieDoc :D the shredmeister! :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 12:31 pm
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Then you'll be YngwieDoc :D the shredmeister! :wink:

More like Eric Johnson w/a 12r board. No scallops. No Lobstah!!
Though Fender has a compound board on its Deluxe's and the American Vintage Hotrod.

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:10 pm
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The Fender Selects also come with those compound radius necks.


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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 5:35 pm
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Her is Eric playing a signature Strat with 21 frets in Docs favorite color!

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Tue Oct 22, 2013 6:26 pm
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Her is Eric playing a signature Strat with 21 frets in Docs favorite color!
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Chromeface posted a picture of Eric with this guitar on page three. The guitar's circuitry [and that of the Pewter]had been tweaked by the removal of the MDX mode switch replacing it with a jack that activatea that circuit when the plug is inserted. That neck was ultimately replaced by 22 fret necks built by JW Black, the first of which went on the black guitar when it was added about 3 years later.
Eventually, the Artist Series was offered in Torino Red, Pewter, 7-Up[aka Candy Apple] Green, and Olympic White. The Green was eventually discontinued. Paris and Alain own examples of the Green guitar.

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Post subject: Re: Has there EVER been a Torino Red American Standard Strat
Posted: Wed Oct 23, 2013 1:44 am
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That neck was ultimately replaced by 22 fret necks built by J. W. Black.


Those necks were built by Michael Stevens. Jay crafted the Blackie body in which the Stevens flamed maple neck was put in.

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The flame maple neck J. W. Black did was put into a custom Blackie body built by Larry Brooks.

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This Larry Brooks Masterbuilt Blackie Custom came as a replacement for the goldleafed EC-1; Eric toured with this guitar for nearly 3 years before the switch to the Crashocaster series in 2001. It was around March 2000 the Lace Sensors were exchanged for a brand-new set of Vintage Noiseless pickups and the TBX pot was dropped in favor of a conventional tone control.

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Clapton brought back his cherished Blackie with the J. W. Black neck after retiring his graffiti guitars from active service in late 2004. He stayed with that axe until 2006.

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