2 point bridges? ok my 2007 deluxe strat has one and i think its a god awful design. when a string breaks... BAM OUTA TUNE. when u try to put in any alternate tuning BAM GOTTA RETUNE 6 times to achieve harmony. put on new string? BAM RETUNE SIX TIMES. as well as the fact that as u bend your strings it gives a little and u have to REALLY bed ur strings to bend up a full 2 steps. what to do? is it easy to convert to a regular 6 screw amer standrd? please help i just bout had it with this two point.

I'm pretty sure this has been discussed before and typical of guitar things some claim that the modern 2 point is less stable, some say it makes no difference and have never had problems and some say it depends on if it was installed correctly and that over time the 2 point will be worn more then the vintage bridge. In the end there is no real answer to your question. As for your particular problem I'll let someone who knows more help you out.

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Tomaz

Gear:
2007 electron blue MIM standard strat
Mustang I amp, small but deadly
fender CD-140 sce acoustic
squier affinity strat
frontman amp came with squier.
digitech multi-effects pedal

Do you understand how to properly set up a floating trem? If you do, then you should understand the problems you describe are common between 2-point or 6-screw trems. If you don't know how to set one up, here is a good place to start:

http://www.fender.com/support/articles/ ... etup-guide

Beyond that a Google or YouTube search will yield dozens of tutorials on how to do it.

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Bill

Yes, you need to know what to expect from the tremolo bridge & learn how to live w/it. There are problems w/the 6 screw bridge also. There are various way of adjusting & or blocking the bridge to your taste & needs. It might be worth your while to consider that Tremol-No device. cheers

Or try a Hipshot TremSetter.

The problem you describe occurs on every trem ever designed. Even Floyd Roses. Converting to a 6 screw bridge won't alleviate the problem.

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No no and no

Put in 4 or 5 springs and set the trem flush to the body.
No problems when a string breaks or when changing strings.

cheers Serge

Basically its a choice between a floating trem and its pros and cons or

a flush/decked trem and its pros and cons or

a fully blocked trem and its pros and cons.

Other variations are the Tremsetter and similar devices which also have pros and cons.

All of this is discussed here regularly and a simple search will yield dozens of threads on the subject.

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Bill

Well, Ive had an idea about altering my six screw bridge. First, take a lump hammer and lots of nails and........ .. (sorry silly English humour) . Basically what I was thinking was to make my bridge a 2 point, but visually, it is still an ordinary 6 screw vintage (so it still looks like a vintage strat bridge in every way). At the moment, it is pretty good, with good return to pitch, but if you work the arm and look closely, you can see the bridgeplate juddering (even with the Carl Verheyen method settings ).So what I was thinking was....First of all take the bridge off , then drill out the 4 inner holes and enlarge them very,very slightly (so the hole still can't be seen showing out from under the screw heads, when assembled) , then countersink the two outside holes from underneath to create a knife edge. Then Put the screws into a drill, pointy end in and use a file to make the 4 inner screw shafts thinner, so there would be no chance of them ever catching on the trem bottom plate .Then for the two outer, use a triangular file and make my own "pivot screws". This would obviously entail setting up the intonation when assembled, and I was thinking about taking all the screws to a local metalworks and getting them all re-chromed to stop too much wear on the "pivots" Whaddya think?. Ted

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Ted

"All right, guys, uh, listen. This is a blues riff in "B", watch me for the changes, and try and keep up, okay?"

I think it is a lot of work with no useful benefit.

Everything you propose to do will only weaken the brdige assembly, not make it more stable.

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Bill

OK THANK YOU all for these good responses they do help me. well i know the a floating trem is alot smoother but string breaks and need for quick alternate tunings are necasary. so i need a stable bridge that has no movment other than what i induce with the trem arm. how do i set it up. lower the 2 points? or just tighten my springs

lower ther points
tremm---> -=====
body----> --------
(assume theres no space between body and tremm.

or should my points be in same place just back of my trem floored back?

I'd recommend you buy a lot more guitars. That way if a string breaks or you need different tuning you can grab another

I'll let someone who is more familiar with the 2-point trem answer this. But there is a lot of material on You Tube about setting them up. Just do a search. Good luck.

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I've had some experience setting up Strats with two point bridges. But since I don't own a Strat with a two point tremolo, forgive me if my instructions are unclear or incomplete. First off you want to make sure the bridge is even with the body, that the side towards the neck isn't lower or higher than the back side and vice versa. To lock it down you should probably start by tightening the springs as far as you can without hurting the guitar by tightening it too much (you don't want to strip the screws out). If you have three springs, you might want to add another one or even two. Then you can be sure it's not going anywhere. Next repeat the first step and check the outside of the bridge to make sure it's even. Again, don't tighten those two screws too far down.

Keep in mind that no matter what style of tremolo you have or what the set up is, your guitar will probably go at least a little out of tune when you break a string. The idea then is to try to figure out why the strings are breaking and try to prevent it. Strings really shouldn't break all that often if you change them at least every two months depending on how much you play and if you take decent care of the guitar. Have you noticed that a particular string breaks more often than the others? When do your strings break, when you're tuning, playing, or restringing? Also another very important question is where is the most common breaking point of the strings? A couple of months ago the b string on my Strat broke three times in two weeks, once at a gig. Before that, I had never broken a string playing. I realized the string was breaking at the saddle and asked my guitar tech about it. He said it was likely a rough spot on the saddle which was cutting into the string. We tried filing it but when that didn't work I bought a replacement saddle and I haven't broken another string since. That may not be what's going on on your guitar, but finding out what causing that problem would make things a lot easier on you.

Honestly, I really like the two point tremolo systems. I think they hold tune a little better than a six point when floating, and that they're a little bit smoother. Locked down there's probably much less of a difference, but if I were you I'd give it a chance before you rip it off and replace it.

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ok thank you for the advice. what i did was just tighten my springs so the back end of the bridge sits ontopa the body and its just like the vintage ones. now when i say i broke a string i mean RARLEY did i break a D string and i use tens. this is when i know i wont be playing alot and after like 4 months on same strings (no point replacing when i dont have time to play alot) and my D string would break. thats all. the porblem was the guitar didnt come outa tune a little. it came outa tune sooo bad i had to retune it 6 times to achieve perfect tuning since my bridge was floating. that problem is gone now with the stiffer setup i did. i like two points just i need more durability. if im ina studio its diffrent but if im with freinds or ata gig or i have to go to E flat real fast i cant go WAIT WAIT GOTTA RETUNE 6 TIMES.

and i cant just buy more guitars i gunna go to every gig or every TINY little place to play with 3 guitars... umm no.

and is it better to have a LITTLE tiny bita buzz from string fret action or in non at all optimanl

Just joking on the "buy more guitars"
Bluesky pretty much covered it.
Glad to hear it is working out for you