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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 3:42 pm
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This whole topic has been a source of confusion for me as well. I have had a lot of these Schaller locking tuners. Some are marked I, II, and III. It was obvious to me on some sets that these numbers indicated the post height so you could have the tall post nearest the nut and the shorter one farther away. This was to decrease the incline of the string as it ran to the post on the tuner. Well...then I saw some sets marked and the post were ALL the same height! and then some guitars came marked with only I and II but none marked III. So to be honest, I think somewhere along the way, it was a way to indicate the height of the post, but not always dependably so!

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Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 4:52 pm
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When the great Xhefri is confused, I really don't feel so dumb! :lol:


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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Tue May 31, 2011 9:55 pm
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The Roman numerals have nothing to do with the height. They are the number of the machine that made them.
See the Schaller website, FAQ 10100 http://schaller-electronic.com/hp897/FAQ.htm

For the ones I have...
The Fender/Schaller Tuners (no F logo) appear to be the same height, but three of them will have holes a little lower than the other three. The Higher ones for are for the wound strings, EAD. The lower ones are for GBE.

wrvond's pic shows the three lower and three higher. Great Photo!


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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 4:31 am
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Bluesmoose,
Thanks for the link!

To save folks from having to search, here is the FAQ:
FAQ10100 - I have seen "I" "II" and "III" symbols or markings on the inside of the Schaller machine heads. What do they mean?

These markings have no significance at all for you or for the function of the Schaller machine head. For us they designate the individual machine molds so that we are better able to isolate the cause of a problem in the event of a material defect. Of course, no product leaves the Schaller premises without having been checked and approved by our multi-stage quality control.

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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 5:40 am
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Well. Along with Xhefri I'm now even more confused (and grateful therefore to find myself in his excellent company on this point).

Because not only Schallers in my posession have those numerals, which in the case of mine do indeed correspond to their positions on the headstock. But also my locking staggered Sperzels have similar Roman numerals on their undersides, and again they accurately match the heights of the capstans. I'm afraid I'm not prepared to dismantle that guitar to show you, but I'm sure you'll take my word for it.

So at least at some point in the history of staggered pole machineheads people in two different companies on two different continents seemed to think the numerals were there to indicate the height of the pole in the set.

The plot thickens.

Still. So long as we can use our eyes when installing tuners and put the right one in the right place I suspect it doesn't matter too terribly much...

Cheers - C

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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 12:35 pm
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Well Mr. C. this has got me thinking. Schaller says, "Hey this is only for quality control if one of our machines messes up." So we have I on one machine, II on and other and III on another (duh!) Ok, then could it be that those machines, at times, were not calibrated the same causing the "capstans" (love that word!) to be different heights???? Ummmm....or, maybe really it is a conspiracy involving the Knights Templar or possibly Illuminati????? :lol: :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 2:59 pm
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I'm inclined to think that Schaller only has one machine that incorporates a random number generator to give the impression they are a much larger company than they really are.
This is a technique employed by the erstwhile Soviet Navy. They would paint different hull numbers on each side of their submarines, giving the impression their fleet was twice as large as it was...


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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Wed Jun 01, 2011 3:36 pm
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wrvond wrote:
I'm inclined to think that Schaller only has one machine that incorporates a random number generator to give the impression they are a much larger company than they really are.
This is a technique employed by the erstwhile Soviet Navy. They would paint different hull numbers on each side of their submarines, giving the impression their fleet was twice as large as it was...

LOL! :lol: Ya i have heard a lot of stories like that!

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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Wed Dec 05, 2012 10:07 pm
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Just wanted to thank everyone for this thread ... very much help ... I found the same inconsistencies with the Schaller tuner labels as far as which posts go where (one labeled III was actually a II and one labeled II was actually a III) ... I also had to ream out the holes on the head very slightly ... w/o the help of this thread I would have been very frustrated ... because I checked before I got started I knew what I might expect ... thanks everyone ...


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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Wed Jan 02, 2013 10:42 am
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Just wanted to confirm for everyone here that the markings, I, II, III, IIII, have absolutely nothing to do with the post height, width, or any other measurements of the locking tuners, but they are simply a mark from the particular mold used to make the tuners, as Schaller points out in the link posted above (they are cast). I spent a little time with some new calipers and confirmed beyond doubt. The new set that I just got has three with taller posts (Low-E, A, D), and three with shorter posts (G, B, High-E), and the three taller are marked IIII, I and II, while the three shorter are marked I, III and I. Note that two of the shorter posts have a I, and one of the taller posts has a I, which leaves no doubt about the markings. No more confusion. :D

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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:49 am
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For comparison, the factory tuners on my 2012 Am Std Strat are marked as follows. Starting with the low-E in order, two taller tuners marked V, I, and the four shorter tuners marked VI, II, VI, III. The factory tuners on my 2011 Blacktop Strat, not staggered, are marked as follows. Starting with the low-E in order, IV, V, I, VI, I, V.

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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:12 am
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I think it was in this tread (??) that it was pointed out that these roman numbers indicate what machine was used to produce the tuner. It is an inside tracking number that helps Schaller to know which machine that might have messed up during production. It makes sense to me me but do not know it it true or not. :?:

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Post subject: Re: I'm confused about Schaller tuners
Posted: Thu Jan 03, 2013 1:54 pm
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Yes, it's true. The link provided in a post above by bluesmoose, to the Schaller website FAQs, has the question and answer about the Roman numerals and their significance. They are mold numbers made when the case is cast. In the post immediately following bluesmoose, the post by wrvond has the actual question and answer from the Schaller site. I followed the link and saw the question and answer also. After measuring two sets of the locking tuners and two sets of standard staggered and non-staggered tuners myself, there is no doubt about it, the numerals are as Schaller explained, mold numbers and no correlation at all to tuner size/measurements/position.

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