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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 3:47 am
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Well I can say I'm definately an opinionated and a poo poo naysayer :lol: 8) :D :lol: I can't remember being nasty enough to be subject to name calling- 'Poser' however- nor have I suggested I knew more than I do. I will say what I know, I also know what I say.. nevermind, water off a ducks back here mate. If I caused you distress, I do apologise however but When it comes to topics like these, it's all on. Just like the MIM vs, MIA debate. This is just an example of someone questioning another's opinion and experience because there are so many people who launch into opinions that people just cant back-up (nitro vs urethane, MIM vs. MIA etc...) Obviously you did not like what I had to say when I expressed mine, and I am very sorry about this. You can't express your opinion based as a fact however, which tends to be a launcher for argument for those who oppose your opinion.

Im just curious however-

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Take it or leave it, but if you haven't actually built enough guitars to know what you are talking about, you're just an on-line poser spouting rhetoric you've hocked from someone else who actually took the long way 'round.


-not entirely sure what you mean here, perhaps you may like to elaborate. The person whom you refer to actually carves/builds stringed instruments for a living- no electrics, has done for as long as you have, if not longer as he is older than you are. Much like his father, and grandfather, and great grandfather. That type of knowlege passed down- I didn't dare question. Thats a true luthier. There is no long way round when it comes to stringed instrument making. It's a painstaking art/craft & I give full respect to anyone who has mastered it.

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:10 am
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:wink: I refuse to comment further on the grounds that it will incriminate me.

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:15 am
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:wink: I refuse to comment further on the grounds that it will incriminate me.

Now you're learning ....

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:25 am
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Having stayed out this long I'd like to ask a question. Just to stir the pot a little. :wink: :wink:

How come a Les Paul with p90s doesn't sound exactly like a Strat with p90s when running through the same rig with the same player?



(reaching for the popcorn ...)

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 8:33 am
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I'm just gonna watch this time....

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sat May 21, 2011 7:08 pm
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oneal lane wrote:
Ashtone,

WARNING: if your looking for a calm rational discussion on this topic on this fourm you might want to reconsider. It would be nice but..........

Sincerely,
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you just might be suprised to find how many well qualified craftsmen there may be on this forum. The harmonic resonance of wood of any kind is deturmaned by the density and moistuer content. it is not always a mater of species but always a mater of dencity. and no two pieces of wood are the same. and will not produce identical vibrosonic tone. and no one piece of wood is constant in its abilityto produce the sound that you are looking for. if a piece of wood never changed you would never need to retune a guitar or any other stringed instrument constructed out of wood. :)


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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 11:11 am
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way cool jr wrote:
oh this thread is gonna be fun to watch. cant wait for the forum naysayers to get in here. :roll: they will come.


:lol: :lol: :lol:

What's clearly called for here is an agent provocateur......

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Ahhhhh :drool: Where do you get bodies like that? How do they sound compaired to regular wood ones?
On a side note, a clear jaguar would be epic!!!


One thing that I have to say on this whole string, and many others like it, I think that it is a sad symptom of the world we live in: We are all polarized these days. (at least a great majority of us) People seem (to me) to be extremely on one side or the other of issues, such as wars in other countries, politics (especially in Canada nowadays), abortion, and apparently, tonewood... The worst is our legal system: when you boil it down, its merely two sides arguing the farthest extremes of an issue, in the hope that the happy medium is found in between these extremes and "justice" is served. Basically , any calm or moderate person it at a lose in these situations, they are not extreme enough people.
This arguement is the same... sadly people feel compelled to argue passionately for their opinion. Sometimes i think more time on forums such as these should be spent *reading* the information supplied by others, not refuting it.

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 12:10 pm
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Sklivas wrote:
We are all polarized these days.

Hi Sklivas: in as careful a post as I could construct I had hoped that I'd indicated that some of us are not at either extreme in a "tonewood is either vital or makes no difference at all" debate. Amongst many others here I'm at neither end of that polarity.

For most of us it is a question of degree, that's all.

Cheers - C

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 12:34 pm
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So......hang on........does this all mean that I am not the luthier I thought I was and this isn't the epitomy of tone I thought it might be............pine neck, balsa body and plastic bridge................. :wink: :wink:

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 1:13 pm
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So......hang on........does this all mean that I am not the luthier I thought I was and this isn't the epitomy of tone I thought it might be............pine neck, balsa body and plastic bridge................. :wink: :wink:

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Looks like a refin. And those tax stamps on the end are re-pro's. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 1:44 pm
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Dang you got me...................... :shock:

I was particularly proud of the pencil drawn frets......................... :lol: :lol:

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 2:04 pm
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Having stayed out this long I'd like to ask a question. Just to stir the pot a little. :wink: :wink:

How come a Les Paul with p90s doesn't sound exactly like a Strat with p90s when running through the same rig with the same player?



(reaching for the popcorn ...)



Whaaaat? .... No takers?
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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 2:09 pm
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Having stayed out this long I'd like to ask a question. Just to stir the pot a little. :wink: :wink:

How come a Les Paul with p90s doesn't sound exactly like a Strat with p90s when running through the same rig with the same player?



(reaching for the popcorn ...)



Whaaaat? .... No takers?
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I know for a fact that that is caused by a magnetic anomoly in the shape differences of the headstocks of said guitars................. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: The old "resonant frequency/tone wood" debate
Posted: Sun May 22, 2011 2:32 pm
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I know for a fact that that is caused by a magnetic anomoly in the shape differences of the headstocks of said guitars................. :shock:


Awesome!!
There you have it kiddies!

No wonder Leo only patented his headstock designs and not his body shapes. The headstock is EVERYTHING!!

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