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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:00 am
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One of these days I'd have to try that and see if there really is a difference. Not in the switch composition but most likely in the pickups being paired, see if those single coils are really made to be single after all.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:16 am
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I have a 59 thin skin with no hum cancelling and in spite of the hum , I love the way they sound in 2 and 4.It has a 5 way switch and suspect the difference is the non reverse wound middle pickup rather than the switch.A switch is a switch, there is (or shouldnt be ) any resistance across it. I have had modern strats and now have 2 vintage spec strats.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 11:30 am
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I built a Strat recently out of spare parts and made it to 59 specs, well as close as I could and the middle is non reversed. I use the neck PU the most but I'll have to spend more time blending the middle in and see what it comes up with.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 12:28 pm
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I built a Strat recently out of spare parts and made it to 59 specs, well as close as I could and the middle is non reversed. I use the neck PU the most but I'll have to spend more time blending the middle in and see what it comes up with.

Yes....I was about to add that the '58 certainly wasn't wired with a non-reversed middle pup. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Sun May 15, 2011 1:21 am
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I've just read through this thread and I can maybe see what the OP is trying to get at. Not that its all the improvements that he has listed, but perhaps it's just perfecting something that has minor issues that can be corrected.

For example (hypothetically) perhaps in mim standard strats, tuning might not be the best when the trem is being used.. so I think what limerot is getting at, is why isn't it being perfected to the point where it stays in tune and returns to pitch everytime? or, eliminate hum entirely from all single coils used in the line... I hope you get the idea.

My answer is, one mans solution is another mans problem. There are models that have value added mods and features that will address certain issues- for example, Deluxe has the noiseless N3 pickups, two point trem and locking tuners etc.. that would address the above issues. Cant afford a new Deluxe? no problem. The parts are available for you to mod your current model.. or take it to limerotts workshop if you cannot do it yourself. There is a market in making guitars, and there is a market in 'mod' parts too :wink:

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What has a happened on this thread is a perfect example of why Windwalker posted the thread "What has happened to this forum"

Someone comes to the forum to discuss some new ideas, how things might be improved, and he is shouted down, insulted......

Perfect example.


Exactly. I can see someone got on the 'bashing bandwagon' and wouldnt give in on the OP. I wouldnt be surprised if the OP has been put off this forum altogether :twisted: I would challenge anyone who did, maybe an apology would suffice. Treat others with respect, they will treat you with the same. Offer friendships, and they will offer you theirs. Treat people with disrespect, people will loose respect for you. Don't throw stones in glass houses & that's how the cookie (or biscuit down here :lol: ) crumbles.

Actually, I and I will also include other members I wont name, that would be so interested in what Limerot has to say about certain things. I couldn't give a toss about limerots spelling. Hell, our younger generation don't seem to be taught it at school anymore- whats the point in trying these days!? in 50 years time, we will converse in text-speak and acronyms anyway- what the hell! :lol: I am sure being a tech/repairman, he/she could add a lot of value to the forum's discussions and offer help to those in need of repair advice as many already do.

So Limerot, as you are new to the fender forum, welcome! :) We are an international crowd here mate- share some stories with us, post up pictures and let us see what gear you have there - im sure we're all keen to see! :) :wink:

Enjoy! :D

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:13 am
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Just for the record I have zero problem with the original post here and in fact it's clearly thought provoking, as evidenced by the fact that this thread is now 6 pages deep. I also think it's imperative that folks be allowed to express their opinions and no matter how strongly one might disagree with said opinions, to be respectful in stating such. All in the interest of encouraging healthy debate, which is how we collectively learn and enthuse on forums of this nature. End deep thought for the day. :-)

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 10:22 am
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That's Fender listening to its customers right there :)


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 11:55 am
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I agree with some of the assertions, but gotta say that the best truss rod adjusters are the wheel type in some Peaveys, Musicman and EVH guitars.

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This I would support.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 12:24 pm
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Just for the record I have zero problem with the original post here and in fact it's clearly thought provoking, as evidenced by the fact that this thread is now 6 pages deep. I also think it's imperative that folks be allowed to express their opinions and no matter how strongly one might disagree with said opinions, to be respectful in stating such. All in the interest of encouraging healthy debate, which is how we collectively learn and enthuse on forums of this nature. End deep thought for the day. :-)



I've got an idea!!! :idea: How about a strat with 2 strat neck pickups in the neck to look like a hum.a jazzmaster pickup in the middle and 2 tele bridge pickups in the bridge to look like a hum.put coil taps on the hums and you have endlees possibility for sound. :idea: If only I had the money...

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 16, 2011 1:04 pm
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[quote="super kid]I've got an idea!!! :idea: How about a strat with 2 strat neck pickups in the neck to look like a hum.a jazzmaster pickup in the middle and 2 tele bridge pickups in the bridge to look like a hum.put coil taps on the hums and you have endlees possibility for sound. :idea: If only I had the money...[/quote][/quote][/quote]


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon Mar 11, 2013 11:40 pm
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It seems that my original post was very difficult for some to swallow. It can be a good thing to broaden one's mind. Only progression will secure fenders income and earnings in the future. As I read, the owners of Fender do have a big debt to pay financially, and sales have declined. It seems that my predictions where true, after all.

Why is this so? Many reasons, but Fender need to know that selling guitars on heritage alone, is not enough anymore. Important, but not enough.

I still miss more innovation from Fender. A bad Variax copy is hardly that, innovative - these days. When Fender and Roland collaborated some years ago, I thought it was a sign of things to come. But they just got stuck with the GK2 thing, but now with onboard tunings and sitar and stuff.

I like Fender guitars, but there are some great innovations out there that begs to be well known, like Evertune, True Temperament and new uses for midi and USB. The world do not really need a Squier that just connects to an ipad, no, think further. Line6 is a good example. They started as 'high tech', but now they have innovative tube amps and guitars that look like guitars. Old and new tech together. They brought inn new people and new ideas.

If Fender collaborated with Waves and offered the very best spring reverb available with ability to download it into a guitar, controlled with a pot, maked that guitar look 'vintage', many would buy a guitar with those capabilities. This will come, believe me. Will it be Fender? Do not think so. Fenders conservative model line only reflects the owners of Fender. Heritage first. Well, a good thing for sure, but a narrow thing in this global world (of innovation) in the long run.

But I am afraid that technology is not enough to get Fender back as the dominant company it once was. But this situation is the same with many american companies. When the competition abroad learns how to play, they just play better. This has happened since the seventies. And in some ways, you americans do not seem to understand this fully. Detroit City must surely be a sign to be seen?

When I read this thread, I just feel sorry for some that got personal just because I wanted a Fender that is better than most of the models Fender got. No, not sound and how it plays, but small important details that makes it work better. Put the sensible things Fender got spread out on different models, but on ONE guitar with some other details.

When a customer of mine ask 'how can I make this Fender better?', I tell her how, and not a single person tells me after they got the guitar back that I was wrong. That was my original purpose with my post, an idea to make a good guitar better based on experience and feedback. Not to be rude or negative, but direct - yes. The headline in this post goes way above the amount of strap-pins on a geetar, I understand now.

And...I hope Fender makes a tele with Evertune.

Btw, anybody know if CS has done that?


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Tue Mar 12, 2013 2:27 am
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Glad you decided to stick around limerot :) I think your opinions are very valid.

My personal thing: I think Fender should bring back is the locking Trem done in collaboration with Floyd Rose. Also, an HSS Floyd equipped Mia Strat should be offered.

The 'Strat Plus' should be reissued MiM with Lace pickups as well as the "Performer" and the Heartfield Élan series (with on-board distortion circuit) also am American std Jazzmaster.

I could think of many more..

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