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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:17 pm
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There's a guy here at Fender that REALLY LOVES Dylan. And if you tell him that you don't really like Dylan, then "You're A jerk". He won't say....."I think that you're a jerk." He'll simply say, "You ARE a jerk."

(uhhhhh....Ahem!.....What's your point rob?)


my point is.....however well-intended, sometimes people express their opinions as indisputable fact and that perception can raise the ire of those who happen to have a different opinion.

Personally,(and keeping in mind I'm not a great player) most of the ideas/suggestions are not my cup of tea. Still, every suggestion is worth some consideration.

We DO have a very talented R&D team, who work with a very engaged Marketing team, who all listen and review many suggestions (like the OP's) from alot of different places. Although there have certainly been some great innovators here through the years, it appears to me that as a company, Fender is more Open to, and supportive of innovation now then it has been since I've been hanging out here. The great innovators I've been privleged to know or meet here, weren't always as free to do so as I believe they are today.

At any rate, I'm fairly confident that our folks take every idea seriously enough to have a look at it.

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:24 pm
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Rob Schwarz-Fender wrote:
There's a guy here at Fender that REALLY LOVES Dylan. And if you tell him that you don't really like Dylan, then "You're A jerk". He won't say....."I think that you're a jerk." He'll simply say, "You ARE a jerk."

(uhhhhh....Ahem!.....What's your point rob?)


my point is.....however well-intended, sometimes people express their opinions as indisputable fact and that perception can raise the ire of those who happen to have a different opinion.

Personally,(and keeping in mind I'm not a great player) most of the ideas/suggestions are not my cup of tea. Still, every suggestion is worth some consideration.

We DO have a very talented R&D team, who work with a very engaged Marketing team, who all listen and review many suggestions (like the OP's) from alot of different places. Although there have certainly been some great innovators here through the years, it appears to me that as a company, Fender is more Open to, and supportive of innovation now then it has been since I've been hanging out here. The great innovators I've been privleged to know or meet here, weren't always as free to do so as I believe they are today.

At any rate, I'm fairly confident that our folks take every idea seriously enough to have a look at it.

Cheers all!
rob

See :!: :!: Jess Like Ah Told'ja.....That's the philosophy one has come to absorb after 4 years at hard labor hanging around here with probably the most knowledgeable and astute group of artists on the planet. 8) But far be it from me to have said so. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 7:48 pm
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Not having the stamina to go through this entire thread, I will only list a couple of innovations that the OP failed to mention (but perhaps other have):

1) Circle Fretting System
2) compensated nuts
3) (a return of) locking tremolo systems

Of course such innovations (any or all) aren't for every model, but a state-of-the-art model would be nice! Fender does seem to have the vintage thing well covered.

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 2:30 am
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orvilleowner wrote:
Not having the stamina to go through this entire thread, I will only list a couple of innovations that the OP failed to mention (but perhaps other have):

1) Circle Fretting System
2) compensated nuts
3) (a return of) locking tremolo systems

Of course such innovations (any or all) aren't for every model, but a state-of-the-art model would be nice! Fender does seem to have the vintage thing well covered.

Let's see: a locking trem on the Jazzmaster over fifty years ago; four different trem designs in the half century: 6 pt; 2 pt, Jazzmaster, Freeflyte; body shapes emulated to the nines; a variety of neck profiles, finger boards and fret wires, updates and variations in pickup design and tone circuits including active electronics and boost circuits; neck thru body; neck pocket relief; a wide variety of finishes, roller nuts; staggered tuners; the Roland Ready and the VG Strat. When one's perspective on the company's progress spans a witnessed half century, things can look a bit different from the days when there was only a Duosonic, Musicman, Tele, Esquire, Strat and, oh yes, electric mandollin. :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:06 am
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you forgot pedal steel Doc! Options galore :wink:


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:45 am
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you forgot pedal steel Doc! Options galore :wink:

That's right :!: :!: All those single and multineck 6 and 8 stringers. There's YouTube video of Santo Farina using one of those multinecks for "Sleepwalk". :wink:His brother is playing what I remember to be a Harmony electric. [I wonder how many know that he and his brother were two kids from Brooklyn NY 8) ].Well....can't help a lapse of memory from a guy who, as a 16 year-old, only had eyes for that '58 Strat in the store window. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 6:34 am
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I have never been on a thread where I was sure the Fender guys were listening so here goes:

GUYS, GREAT JOB ON THE "BLACKTOP" SERIES :D !!!!


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:03 am
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The whole point about the "innovations" we've seen over the years is that none of them are great advances; just a bit of fine tuning.

The 1953/4 design of the Stratocaster has been proven to be pretty much all one needs.

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:19 am
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orvilleowner wrote:
The 1953/4 design of the Stratocaster has been proven to be pretty much all one needs.


+1000!

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 8:28 am
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Amen to that. One type of Strat is all I need. I find myself not even needing the 5 way switch, I have a Strat with 3 way and I dont miss it.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:14 am
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One improvement that I enjoy is the current "American Standard" string spacing over the "vintage spacing". I personally don't like the "E" strings running that close the the fretboard edge.

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:17 am
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orvilleowner wrote:
The 1953/4 design of the Stratocaster has been proven to be pretty much all one needs.


+1000!

Arjay


Love my blocked bridge, SCN pickups, and locking tuners equipped MIM Strat. If I could play in tune as well as it does, it would be perfect. :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:32 am
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atolleter wrote:
Amen to that. One type of Strat is all I need. I find myself not even needing the 5 way switch, I have a Strat with 3 way and I dont miss it.

I didn't miss it 50 years ago. The five way just makes it easier to find that 'sweet' spot, and I also suspect it sounded better with the three-way.

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Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:41 am
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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Thu May 12, 2011 10:46 am
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I use a toothpick if I need 2 and 4.

Roger that. There were all kinds of ways to set up a stop for that spot. My thought was that I always felt the three-way yielded a better tone.

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