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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:17 pm
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John C wrote:
All very interesting and also kind of personal opinion as to what constitutes "better"; you post that a lot of your customers with these mods like them; I would suggest that only those players interested in these mods had you do them so it's kind of like asking Mercedes owners what should Fiat do to make their cars like a Mercedes?" Nothing wrong with any of your suggestions, but they almost all fall into personal preference.


My sugestions comes from years from input from players that have tuning and intonation problems with their guitars. A tremolo with a push in arm with better feel, and staggered locking tuners will not affect tone, if a player choose the vintage equivalent. The guitar will sound and look the same, but it will be a better guitar, tuning-wise.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:22 pm
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limerot wrote:
My sugestions comes from years from input from players that have tuning and intonation problems with their guitars. A tremolo with a push in arm with better feel, and staggered locking tuners will not affect tone, if a player choose the vintage equivalent. The guitar will sound and look the same, but it will be a better guitar, tuning-wise.


Well, I hope both of them are happy with your work.

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 2:36 pm
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If you own a Fender tele that keeps the tuning, but with bad intonation, a similar Fender tele with compensated saddles will help with that problem. To me, it is a mystery why Fender does not offer the saddles like on the Danny Gatton tele to most of their vintage tele models. Or Wilkinson's. It is fun to have the reissue models, but they will always be inferior to the more thought thru versions. No one from a neutral standpoint would choose an inferior model when they can have a model that does not inherent the weaknesses from the reissue models. And to be frank, the reissues have some. Let it look vintage, but without the drawbacks. Fender got a great heritage, and should make reissues for the old guys, but for the new players, the future players, they must innovate to survive.


You really don't get it, do you? Have you bothered to spend any time on this website researching the features available on the various Fender guitars? Somehow I doubt it, otherwise you wouldn't keep harping on locking tuners, staggered tuners, bridge saddles, etc. Take a look at all of the pickup and switching options available on the different Fender guitars. You claim you are a guitar tech, yet by the sound of it you don't have the foggiest notion on how to get a Fender guitar, regardless of the model or features, to play in tune or intonate properly, or you are just to lazy to bother, taking the easy way out by blameing "soft necks". Instead, you find it necessary to rely on overly exotic and expensive "fixes" that have a limited market and will do nothing but unnecessarily drive up the cost of the guitar. If you are so down on Fender's "drawbacks" (you already admitted to selling your "flawed" vintage guitars), then I suggest you only buy your guitars from the small, special luthiers that cater to the whims of nitpickers like you. You and your many customers who demand similar "improvements" will be much happier with their guitars and lives.


My thoughts come from repairing and modifying hundreds of guitars and inputs from their owners. Fender do not have a standard modell with the small few things that can be done to improve its intonation and tuning capability. This they should have and sarcasm is the loosers way.

Please read my first post. It is a view that Fender is a conservative guitar company that needs to improve their standard models.

When this is expressed in a maner that do not step on peoples toes, one demand the same back. I will rapport your post to the moderator.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:02 pm
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My thoughts come from repairing and modifying hundreds of guitars and inputs from their owners. Fender do not have a standard modell with the small few things that can be done to improve its intonation and tuning capability. This they should have and sarcasm is the loosers way.

Please read my first post. It is a view that Fender is a conservative guitar company that needs to improve their standard models.

When this is expressed in a maner that do not step on peoples toes, one demand the same back. I will rapport your post to the moderator.


I don't think anyone in this thread would agree with you that my posts have been offensive.

Oh, and its "report" not "rapport". :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:05 pm
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My thoughts come from repairing and modifying hundreds of guitars and inputs from their owners. Fender do not have a standard modell with the small few things that can be done to improve its intonation and tuning capability. This they should have and sarcasm is the loosers way.

Please read my first post. It is a view that Fender is a conservative guitar company that needs to improve their standard models.

When this is expressed in a maner that do not step on peoples toes, one demand the same back. I will rapport your post to the moderator.


I don't think anyone in this thread would agree with you that my posts have been offensive.

Oh, and its "report" not "rapport". :lol:


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:12 pm
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Ar u cher?


What......? CHer.........? I didn't sense any hint of a vocoder in the posts........ :wink:

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:29 pm
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I don't think anyone in this thread would agree with you that my posts have been offensive.

Oh, and its "report" not "rapport". :lol:[/quote]


If you want to participate your view in this tread, then you need to hold back your horses.

When spelling errors are your interest, and telling me what I am or not, I sugest that you participate on other treads, not this one. This tread is a discussion of my original question in post one.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 3:34 pm
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I don't think anyone in this thread would agree with you that my posts have been offensive.

Oh, and its "report" not "rapport". :lol:[/quote]


If you want to participate your view in this tread, then you need to hold back your horses.

When spelling errors are your interest, and telling me what I am or not, I sugest that you participate on other treads, not this one. This tread is a discussion of my original question in post one.[/quote]

he misspelled thread...fail.

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:36 pm
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limerot wrote:
If you want to participate your view in this tread, then you need to hold back your horses.


Perhaps you'd like to do that for us, pal.

You come to this forum spouting your opinions like it's some gospel that we need to worship when in truth, few here share your nebulous views. If you crave disciples for your pie-in-the-sky "improvements" in the guitar industry, try Harmony Central. On your way, drop off copies of your proposals at the United States Patent Office. That's where the rubber meets the road and that's how Leo Fender did it.

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:59 pm
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I like the way a Fender Strat sounds. That's why I have one. If I wanted a guitar that has all of the new and improved super this or that on it I would have gotten an Ibanez.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 5:01 pm
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Personally ,have owned various strats and only had one that wouldnt stay in tune.The 2 that remain both have vintage trems AND vintage tuners.I admit I dont consider myself a heavy trem user , but I do use mine.JMHO.


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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:38 pm
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limerot wrote:
If you want to participate your view in this tread, then you need to hold back your horses.


Perhaps you'd like to do that for us, pal.

You come to this forum spouting your opinions like it's some gospel that we need to worship when in truth, few here share your nebulous views. If you crave disciples for your pie-in-the-sky "improvements" in the guitar industry, try Harmony Central. On your way, drop off copies of your proposals at the United States Patent Office. That's where the rubber meets the road and that's how Leo Fender did it.

Arjay


"Limerot"

Interesting screen name. Rotting limes. Wonder what that's all about? :lol:

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:41 pm
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This tread is a discussion of my original question in post one.


You still haven't figured out that no one in this thread is really that interested in "your improvements"? Wow. :roll:

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 8:10 am
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What has a happened on this thread is a perfect example of why Windwalker posted the thread "What has happened to this forum"

Someone comes to the forum to discuss some new ideas, how things might be improved, and he is shouted down, insulted......

Perfect example.

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Post subject: Re: Conservative production models from Fender
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 8:47 am
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oneal lane wrote:
What has a happened on this thread is a perfect example of why Windwalker posted the thread "What has happened to this forum"

Someone comes to the forum to discuss some new ideas, how things might be improved, and he is shouted down, insulted......

Perfect example.

Agreed, I like hearing new ideas, even if I don't completely accept them. I could make a long statement about the OPs post, But suffice to say that there's nothing wrong w/genuine improvements, as long as it doesn't raise the prices too much, at least for the lower end models. My MIM was affordable. That was important to me at the time of purchase. & there's not all that much I would change on it. Maybe just a little :)


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