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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:44 am
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Nice bit of spruce by the way.

...So now of course I'm hunting around for a single piece of AAA flamed European maple big enough for the back and with the right amount of figure - neither too much nor too little. Just to give the instrument a consistent flavour, visually. Not having much luck as yet, but there's time...

Feel free to keep us posted on this one. I'd be especially interested in the carving of the top. Looks exciting.

Well before you can carve the front and back you have to construct the sides. And to do that you have to build the mould. And to do that... Etc.

As you know, I'm off for a week at the Cambridge Violin Workshop in August. Just trying to get my ducks in a row ready for that. Just got a letter from them this morning as it happens, and they mention that they include tone wood in the course fee. But I have a feeling mine is better. :wink:


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Get in! 8)

...And down with your bad self! 8)

Quality! 8) 8)

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im suprised this thread is still going.

It's just entering its "now that we've beaten the original subject to death let's wander off onto other stuff" phase. The classic part of any thread! :D

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:47 am
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Once again, Ceri just adds a little food for thought.... :shock: :idea: :?:

Hi 53. What's the :?: emoticon asking? Any questions shall happily be answered, if I can. :)

And yes, I'd like to see the front of the fingerboard too. More photos please, jerde!

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Hi Ceri, how is the weather across the pond ? We are heading into our 5 day of rain and same forecast until Saturday. Rode a 4 hour training ride thru the hills in the rain on Sunday, pretending it was Liege Bastogne Liege :lol:

Anyway the :shock: emoticon was for encapsulating that there was much to think about and review on this thread's subject.

The :idea: emoticon was to illustrate that ideas would hopefully germinate from the :shock:

And of course ( so obvious to me :roll: ) the :?: emo. was for questions to evolve from the :idea: not so much from me but from the OP.
But I was being too cryptic...Oh Well !!!

In any case this thread brought about an interesting discussion and clearly highlights the need for vetting or diligently assuring that a so called "tech " is competent.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 7:54 am
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In any case this thread brought about an interesting discussion and clearly highlights the need for vetting or diligently assuring that a so called "tech " is competent.

'Zactly! We all know so many stories of kids fiddling with guitars in the back rooms of shops and calling themselves "techs" - and how would many customers know the difference?

53, do you put wet weather tires on bikes? If so - sounds like you'll need 'em! Good luck, and enjoy!

Over here it has been one of the driest, hottest springs on record. Very nice for everything except the lawn - I have a feeling there's a thread in the Lounge ready for just such observations! :lol:

Cheers guys - C

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:12 am
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It's just entering its "now that we've beaten the original subject to death let's wander off onto other stuff" phase. The classic part of any thread!

That's a green light for a detour...!!

On the topic ( detoured topic that is ) of the Fiddle / Violin.
Ceri... On the friction pegs install, will you stay traditional or have/are you contemplating using Knilling's ( www.knilling.com ) Planetary Perfection Pegs.. :?: These pegs fit right into the tapered peg hole, look identical to friction pegs, but are mechanical in their shaft, sort of like banjo pegs, they elliminate that (frustrating to me) searching for the right spot to tune up.
The peg is an internal helicall gear design which eliminates the need for fine tuners at the tail piece.
I absolutely have to change to this system on my Viola and Violin as it is one of the reasons I seldom play and thereby don't improve much on the instrument..

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:22 am
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Ceri wrote:
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In any case this thread brought about an interesting discussion and clearly highlights the need for vetting or diligently assuring that a so called "tech " is competent.

'Zactly! We all know so many stories of kids fiddling with guitars in the back rooms of shops and calling themselves "techs" - and how would many customers know the difference?

53, do you put wet weather tires on bikes? If so - sounds like you'll need 'em! Good luck, and enjoy!

Over here it has been one of the driest, hottest springs on record. Very nice for everything except the lawn - I have a feeling there's a thread in the Lounge ready for just such observations! :lol:

Cheers guys - C


No, I use Michelin Pro Race 3 tyres, the contact patch is so small on a bicycle tire that a grooved tire reduces contact area and results in loss of traction. ( that is my opinion based on too many miles )
However in winter I prefer to hop on the MTB with the knobbies as it is a lot more fun to ride thru the snow offroad, plus you don't suffer that look from motorists that questions your level of dementia... :lol:

P.S. Thanks a lot for reminding me about the lawn... seriously thinking about getting some sheep....since they moo.. I mean mow right down to the roots....

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 4:40 pm
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you might get lucky if you simpley muve your guitar to a difirent corner in the house.
Every house has it's worm spots and it's cold spots. Likewise they have dry and damp.
See where i'm going. When you have more than one kind of wood,each will react difirently to humidity and temp. it hapons all the time with all kinds of wood. Exampel take a nice clear 2x4 out in the rain for an Hr. then bring it in and set it next to a heat vent and see what hapens. if that dosent help, take it to a GOOD tec. :) ------Danny,


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 6:27 pm
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I have dealt with Fender's repair Dept. They are great, however, they will only fix your problem if YOU are the original owner.


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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:00 pm
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you might get lucky if you simpley muve your guitar to a difirent corner in the house.
Every house has it's worm spots and it's cold spots. Likewise they have dry and damp.
See where i'm going. When you have more than one kind of wood,each will react difirently to humidity and temp. it hapons all the time with all kinds of wood. Exampel take a nice clear 2x4 out in the rain for an Hr. then bring it in and set it next to a heat vent and see what hapens. if that dosent help, take it to a GOOD tec. :) ------Danny,



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Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:06 pm
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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 18, 2011 8:15 pm
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53magnatone wrote:
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you might get lucky if you simpley muve your guitar to a difirent corner in the house.
Every house has it's worm spots and it's cold spots. Likewise they have dry and damp.
See where i'm going. When you have more than one kind of wood,each will react difirently to humidity and temp. it hapons all the time with all kinds of wood. Exampel take a nice clear 2x4 out in the rain for an Hr. then bring it in and set it next to a heat vent and see what hapens. if that dosent help, take it to a GOOD tec. :) ------Danny,



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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
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lol hey, i cant spell worth a crap either danny. we are in this boat together, so pick up a paddle and lets get this thing moving.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 4:46 pm
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Hey guys, sorry to dig out this century old thread :wink:

I've recently acquired a Fender Custom Shop Jazz Bass made in the late 80's (1989 to be precise) and am experiencing the similar problem. :(

It has one similar knot on the back on the neck, around 7th fret and similarly the fretboard has an upward bent. The first few frets have very loud buzzes almost unplayable.

I have taken it to a local guitar shop in Exeter, and the tech told me the warp is a direct result of the maple constructions on the neck which is unstable due to its density slightly differs from the rest of the neck. Does this normally happen to a CS bass? and what can I do to resolve this?

Would deeply appreciate your input!

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 5:37 pm
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I have taken it to a local guitar shop in Exeter...

Hi fred8816. A guitar shop - in Exeter? So that's either Project Music, or Manson's, or... the other one the name of which I don't remember.

If it's Manson's then do you know the name of the "tech" you talked to? Perhaps it was Hugh Manson himself, within which case I'm surprised he didn't just offer to straighten the neck for you himself: he's one of the finest builders on the planet and a bit of neck-fixing is child's play for him.

Or maybe it was the shop owner, Adrian Ashton. He and I just happened to be in the same high school band many (many) years ago: he's amazingly knowledgeable about guitars and you can trust what he tells you.

If it was one of the other shops... go to Manson's instead and get some proper service. To the best of my memory Manson's are a Fender Custom Shop dealer and as such are in a good position to help you get that neck replaced, if that's the route you decide you want to go.

Contrary to popular belief, Fender will sell you a replacement neck on a like-for-like basis. You need to read this page:

http://www.fender.com/en-GB/support/art ... nd-bodies/

and for a Custom Shop guitar you can also look here:

http://customcare.fender.com/

That will tell you everything you need to know about buying a new neck.

However, I bet yours can be straightened, and I'd want to look into that first, by talking to a real luthier - not a guitar shop back room "tech".

Good luck - C

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Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:01 pm
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Ceri wrote:
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I have taken it to a local guitar shop in Exeter...

Hi fred8816. A guitar shop - in Exeter? So that's either Project Music, or Manson's, or... the other one the name of which I don't remember.

If it's Manson's then do you know the name of the "tech" you talked to? Perhaps it was Hugh Manson himself, within which case I'm surprised he didn't just offer to straighten the neck for you himself: he's one of the finest builders on the planet and a bit of neck-fixing is child's play for him.

Or maybe it was the shop owner, Adrian Ashton. He and I just happened to be in the same high school band many (many) years ago: he's amazingly knowledgeable about guitars and you can trust what he tells you.

If it was one of the other shops... go to Manson's instead and get some proper service. To the best of my memory Manson's are a Fender Custom Shop dealer and as such are in a good position to help you get that neck replaced, if that's the route you decide you want to go.

Contrary to popular belief, Fender will sell you a replacement neck on a like-for-like basis. You need to read this page:

http://www.fender.com/en-GB/support/art ... nd-bodies/

and for a Custom Shop guitar you can also look here:

http://customcare.fender.com/

That will tell you everything you need to know about buying a new neck.

However, I bet yours can be straightened, and I'd want to look into that first, by talking to a real luthier - not a guitar shop back room "tech".

Good luck - C


Hi Ceri

Thank you for your informative reply! Yes the shop I went into was Manson's but I don't think it was either of the two you mentioned above who had a look at the bass. We've discussed possible solutions of redressing the fretboard, and redo the fretwork to make it relatively flat... But I'm a bit reluctant to that as the original rosewood fingerboard was pretty thin. It'd be brilliant if the neck can be straightened for sure. In what ways can that be achieved?

Thanks again, Fred


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed Mar 06, 2013 6:30 pm
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Hi Ceri

Thank you for your informative reply! Yes the shop I went into was Manson's but I don't think it was either of the two you mentioned above who had a look at the bass. We've discussed possible solutions of redressing the fretboard, and redo the fretwork to make it relatively flat... But I'm a bit reluctant to that as the original rosewood fingerboard was pretty thin. It'd be brilliant if the neck can be straightened for sure. In what ways can that be achieved?

Thanks again, Fred

Hi again Fred: well, if you look at my post on page four of this thread you'll see my home-spun solution to this issue. That was a neck that had a very pronounced backbow at the seventh fret. My fix took time, but I own that guitar to this day and the problem has never come back, so it worked.

Proper grown-up builders like Hugh Manson have specialist items of luthier kit a bit like electrically heated blankets that they can wrap around the neck once it's cramped into position, which speeds things up: the heat loosens and resets the wood fibres and used skillfully can straighten even a severely warped neck.

I'd go back to Manson's and ask to speak to Adrian Ashton and see if Hugh is up for doing that sort of work (Adrian is a brilliant bass player, by the way). Otherwise, there's Chris Eccleshall, who's website says he's now in Ipplepen (he was in Buckfastleigh last I knew, and Dartington before that - you can't tie that man down!). Chris is an absolutely fabulous builder who's made and repaired guitars for umpteen famous people (see his homepage) and he's also an authorised Martin and Gibson repairer, so straightening your bass neck should be no problem for him. Here he is:

http://www.eccleshallguitars.co.uk/

And if none of that works, type "guitar maker Devon" into Google - there's loads of 'em, including lots of interesting names I haven't even heard of. Good grief, Devon seems to be the guitar county!

Fixing your neck really shouldn't be too hard, and I'd definitely want to try straightening the warp before I thought about remedial stuff like re-levelling the frets to try and hide the kink. Better to solve than to cover up, if possible.

And if somehow all of that fails or just seems too expensive you could always simply have Fender replace the neck. See my previous post for how to do that.

Any help?

Cheers - C

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