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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:16 pm
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I've never seen that either and can I offer my apologies for doubting your first tech...... :oops:

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 4:25 pm
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That's a strange anomoly in the grain but I wouldn't call it a knot. Not sure what to call it. Looks like it was definately slab sawed instead of quarter sawn. Could be where a brach came out of the log but if it is a knot it sure is a tight one.

Glad it got worked out for you though.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 7:43 pm
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jeffnles1 wrote:
That's a strange anomoly in the grain but I wouldn't call it a knot. Not sure what to call it. Looks like it was definately slab sawed instead of quarter sawn.
Jeff


I gotta go with Jeff here, lacking a better picture, it doesn't look like a knot, it's just how the grain curved parallel with the surface of the back. It just so happened to curve there. I sorta picture a laminated bowl shape with the base of it cut flat- you'd get a circle just like the neck has.

I suppose massive amounts of humidity could cause the neck to swell and bend like that. You live in New Orleans? <grin>

In any event, happy for you that you got it fixed!


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Mon May 09, 2011 8:39 pm
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I think it will warp again if it is a weak spot. Maybe when the season change happens.


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 12:51 am
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So good to hear it's fixed :D
A good aXe Tech indeed !


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Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 5:25 am
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Can you post a pic of the front of the neck?


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 10:26 am
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Those pics, Wow! :shock: Looks like that neck was made from a random tree branch. :oops: I have seen alot of necks but none like that. :?: I have seen wood grains like that in 2x4 from Home Depo. :roll: I am very glad you were able to resolve the issue.
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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:01 pm
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stroker vance wrote:
I think it will warp again if it is a weak spot. Maybe when the season change happens.


Yea, the tech talked about the possibility of that happening.


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:02 pm
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Rebelsoul wrote:
Can you post a pic of the front of the neck?


Sure, I'll get some up soon.


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Tue May 10, 2011 9:10 pm
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jeffnles1 wrote:
That's a strange anomoly in the grain but I wouldn't call it a knot. Not sure what to call it. Looks like it was definately slab sawed instead of quarter sawn. Could be where a brach came out of the log but if it is a knot it sure is a tight one.

Glad it got worked out for you though.

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So if the tree is standing up, you think it was sawn vertically rather than horizontally?


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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 12:23 am
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It's amazing that he was actually able to press out that warp.I hope that it's a permanent fix.I had a '78 maple neck Strat with more of what you'd call a grain anomally than a knot that caused a very noticeable sideway twisted warp and ended up having to get the neck replaced under warranty.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 4:59 am
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[quote="jerde"]Ok, so I talked to the second repairman this morning about the warp issue I'm having. He also came up with the conclusion that it was the knot that was causing the fretboard to warp up and said that it is a fairly common issue. He offered me a solution this time by saying that heating up the neck and then pressing it can straighten the warp out. I told him to go ahead and give it a go and that I would be in a few hours later to have him do some other maintenance on another strat of mine.

When I got there he should me the neck and behold the warp had been pressed out successfully! This repairman was a older guy probably in his mid 60's and I asked him how long he had been working on guitars and he said over 35 years. I wasn't able to get the pictures of the warp in the fretboard because by the time I got there he had already pressed it out, but I do a pic of the big knot that caused the warp (and a second smaller knot) in the maple of my strat neck. See below...



As I have followed this thread since my earlier post, the misconception is still prevalent. In your 1st photo below of the neck....That is not a knot. those are growth rings showing. As a tree grows up and outward, growth rings are the yearly log ( :lol: ) of it's age.
If you look at a cut log. radiating outward from the center are the growth rings. light and dark delineations which are not of the same thickness depending on that years nutrients. Some years will be rich others not. thus some rings are thicker than others.
As has been posted earlier with the bowl analogy, your neck was cut out of a log and that particular ring which many are mistakenly calling a knot is just a section of that ring.
Rings in trees do not grow evenly along the lenght of the tree. they may be closer to the center at 4 ft or further at 6 ft. If you look at a live tree, any tree that is fairly straight, you can see that the tree itself is not of one diameter and thus varies from trunk upwards.

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This 2nd photo is also not a knot, just a blemish, an anomaly in the tree, similar to age spots or freckles that we all have on our bodies.

Your neck does not have knots in it, They ( Fender ) would not have built a neck with a knot running thru the neck. No guitar builder building quality guitars would consider it because of the probable risk of structural failure.
As I posted before, your problem is with the rosewood fingerboard, but As I cannot physically see the fingerboard I cannot really say for certain what is up. But for a fret to buzz, a fractional expansion of that fingerboard at that fret compounded with other set up issues, very low action, truss rod in need of tweaking and frets in need of redressing, will give you problems.

To illustrate just how much rosewood expands and contracts, about 8 years ago I bought a Classical guitar for a $150.00 This was a beautiful Artesano spanish made $1,200 to $1,300 guitar. The fingerboard had a tiny thin crack running from the soundhole ( 18th fret ) all the way back up to the 8th fret. No one wanted the guitar, the shop owner bought it off of a kid and also thought it was ruined.
Well it wasn't, I installed a humidifier in the case, closed it up and left it alone for a couple of weeks, periodically checking that the humidifier was full of water.
The fissure/crack disappeared, what was happening was that the guitar had been allowed to dry out, acoustic guitars must be kept at a certain moisture content.
I have since sold that guitar for a triple profit.

My point is that a guitar is constantly contracting and expanding which is why it is critically important to keep your guitars in their cases when not in use and a schedule of proper maintenance must be attended to periodically.


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The following photo illustrates knots in a piece of lumber, very distinctively different from what you have. This is part of a 3 year renovation/ remodeling of an 1840 Cape I have just completed.

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You can clearly see the knots and how they separate from the boards due to contraction ( moisture content loss as well as that knots ( sliced branches grow perpendicular to a tree trunk ).

Below is a pic of my J.B. Player neck, at the butt of the neck that is part of a knot, but since it is located there it has never affected the guitar. I just used this neck for my Stratopartster build II ( which is a thread in this section of the forum ).
J.B. are inexpensive guitars and " Yep " they did/do cut corners concerning quality.... :wink:

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:13 am
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Hey 53magnatone, thanks for that info!! :D

AM now wondering if the OP told the second tech what the first tech had said before it was examined..........

CUriouser and curiouser.. :shock:

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 5:39 am
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Hey 53magnetone - thanks! I already wanted to ask somebody draw a circle around the spot because I could not see it in the pictures.

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Post subject: Re: knot in the maple doing damage to my fender strat neck.
Posted: Wed May 11, 2011 6:03 pm
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just for the future, what did you pay to have this done? it will give the rest of us an idea as to what a job like that costs. yes its different from area to area but still its something to go on.

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